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Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Undiluted orientalism. I was in Osaka this weekend and litter is everywhere. By far one of the dirtiest major cities I’ve seen in East Asia. In the city I live in in Japan, the rice fields are full of coffee cans, plastic bottles, and bento packaging thrown out from cars. Streets are covered in cigarette butts and somehow I see natto containers in the middle of nowhere. Going hiking, I see tea bottles and plastic bag…

I've been all over the world, including Tokyo and Osaka. You are wrong and spreading misinformation. But good on you for knowing the word Orientalism. A neatly packaged box of shit.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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As a Dane travelling abouts I have been stuck how clean the following three countries seemed compared to my home country: Australia, Singapore, and Japan.

As a German I can assure you Denmark is far above the average in Europe in public space cleanliness :-)

As a San Francisco resident, I can say almost any major Western city is cleaner. SF is filthy, at least in the downtown areas. Every sidewalk needs a good power washing and there's poop everywhere.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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On a trip to Japan last year I posed a similar question to a friend-- why restrooms so much cleaner in Japan? I'm constantly amazed at how few many in the United States don't flush the toilet in public bathrooms.

My friend concluded that much of it had to do with collectivism vs individualism. Either way I think Americans need to improve their bathroom etiquette.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or the parent's comment is a big of exaggeration to downplay the general cleanliness. Compared to most major global cities it's night and day. I'd take a hard look on NY, Chicago, L.A, London, Paris, Amsterdam, before I complain like the grandparent about the Japanese situation which is an order of magnitude better... Tokyo of course is on a league of its own, but here's Osaka Street View, go around, how does it comp…

Someone may have a better answer, but I did a google search for worst parts of Osaka. I got Kabikucho as an answer: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6960715,139.7029924,3a,75y,2... We can compare that to a random spot in skid row, LA. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0413292,-118.2437281,3a,75y,...

Well Kabikucho is in Tokyo haha. It gets really bad every night and they clean it up in the mid morning. At around 7am it's shocking how dirty it is; a complete mind blower compared to how clean you get used to everything being.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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American (US) in Tokyo for the first time here. About an hour ago (10:30 pm here) I saw two men with a bucket and washcloth scrubbing the floor right next to Shibuya Crossing ("the busiest crosswalk on the world"). Moments before that a man was sweeping a walkway between passer-bys). The clothing store withers swept each changing room in between guests. Though a block away was the smoking area, littered with thousand…

> Another fascinating thing is how escalators have two lanes, one for walking and one for standing. Why doesn't everyone so this?! It's so perfect! Turns out, strangely, that it actually reduces throughput compared to just having everyone stand. So not exactly perfect I guess. But yea I agree in the general matter. When my MIL (a master organizer) visited Japan she thought that was great.

> Turns out, strangely, that it actually reduces throughput compared to just having everyone stand

Wait, what? How can this be true?

Imagine an escalator w/ both lanes filled with people just standing. Now imagine the left lane starts walking: clearly, higher throughput.

Now, maybe you're imagining a scenario where people don't want to walk. Now everyone stands on the right, and the left lane is completely empty. OK, now we've reduced throughput by half compared to "everyone standing".

So as we consider moving between the extremes of "no walkers" and "walker saturation", there will be some break-even point of throughput. And beyond that having a walking lane will be more efficient.

(Also, besides raw throughput, having a walking lane gives you a better "fastest possible traversal time", which is also valuable, for people in a hurry.)

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Undiluted orientalism. I was in Osaka this weekend and litter is everywhere. By far one of the dirtiest major cities I’ve seen in East Asia. In the city I live in in Japan, the rice fields are full of coffee cans, plastic bottles, and bento packaging thrown out from cars. Streets are covered in cigarette butts and somehow I see natto containers in the middle of nowhere. Going hiking, I see tea bottles and plastic bag…

Osaka is not that bad. You’re gross. Where do you come from? Probably not a major metro in the U.S. ... even if so, you’re probably in suburbs

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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I was cycling in Japan for about 2 weeks, just a few weeks ago. I was also impressed in most places by how clean it was, not only in the cities, but more generally speaking about everywhere.

At some point though, I was cycling along the coast of Mie then Wakayama prefectures, and although the scenery and roads were clean, I had a glance just behind the ramp walk, and realized that behind the trees, in the bush next to the road were hundreds of garbage bags, litter of all sort, really anything, just lying below. There was such a contrast from what my eyes were seeing until, I was shocked.

In another town several kilometres after (I forgot which place exactly, must have been while cycling up towards Wakayama city), I passed next to a big commercial area on my right. On my left there was a small patch of forest then the sea and again, that forest contained many many plastic bags, full but neatly tied up, every couple of meters or so, for several hundreds of meters.

I originally thought the first thrashes I saw along the road in the country side where "mistakes", like things flying off the window or pushed by the wind from another place (although there was a lot of garbage anyway). But when I saw these tied up plastic bags, they weren't there by chance, really people throw these bags away on the forest right here. That made me a bit sad, especially since it broke the original image I got.

(And I haven't spoke about the beaches and seafront all along that peninsula; I wouldn't walk bare foot there).

Then I came home in Switzerland, looked up the small water stream close to my place, and realized it wasn't as neat as one can see at first glance... So I should probably start with that before criticising other countries sigh

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Q:Why is Singapore so clean and tidy? A:Because there is a horde of foreign workers doing the cleaning up.

Aren't violators caned as well? Singapore was awesome when I visited. Incredibly clean. Even lower class areas like around Orchard Towers (four floors of _____) was well above board compared to a clean US City.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Well, as a Korean, I think that this is due to the difference of importance of how other people think me. I've heard that the western world is very individualistic, and people in general don't care much about how other people acts. In Korea (and AFAIK Japan too), people very care of what other people think about them. They consider the consequences of every action carefully. One of the results is that people generall…

Having lived in 세종시, and Seoul, I strongly disagree with your statement.

Sejong is a brand new city, made in 2014, yet there was litter everywhere, especially right near bus stops. I distinctly recall seeing empty coffee cups tossed in the planters/hedges nearby.

There were almost zero trash cans so what do you expect. The bathrooms didn’t have tissue or anything either, you had to go to one of the nearby stores or cafes and get some.

Seoul has plenty of dirty areas just like any other enormous city.

People litter everywhere. Some Japanese people may be more conscious about not littering, but so are some Americans! This article reeks of orientalism.

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