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‘This Did Not Go Well’: Inside PG&E’s Blackout Control Room

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He also made that point. But his point here is that if we’re willing to assign liability to PG&E for damages from a brushfire sparked tomorrow... if in your mind PG&E is truly responsible for any resulting death or destruction if a tree falls on their transmission lines during a time of critical fire risk and sparks a blaze.... then it is not only prudent, but it would be morally and economically imperative to shut d…

One person floods a basement with gasoline. Another comes in and throws a lit match on the floor. Who’s responsible for the fire? It’s an interesting question. At the same time, while it’s statisticslly likely that fires would happen with our without PG&E, we can’t escape the fact that they’ve been responsible for quite a few of them. Paradise, California, was built very close to the wildlife-urban interface. And our…

> Why didn’t they prioritize fixing equipment in a dry forest adjacent to a populated area?

They spend billions of dollars on maintenance each year, so obviously they prioritized fixing whatever all the equipment that they did actually fix that year.

PG&E knows about tens of billions of dollars of infrastructure which is past its useful life. Towers built in 1910s and 1920s which are so old it’s hard to even get up on them to patch them. Towers they don’t even know what year they were even built.

Rates are set in a political environment and those rates pay for supply, maintenance, clean energy enhancements, and dividends.

Why weren’t rates set higher? What percent of rate revenue was spent on shifts to renewables? Why not go after that spending as well as dividends? Dividends were 1/15th of the revenue, to put it in perspective.

As to your bridge analogy;

> The U.S. has been underfunding its highway system for years, resulting in a $836 billion backlog of highway and bridge capital needs. The bulk of the backlog ($420 billion) is in repairing existing highways, while $123 billion is needed for bridge repair, $167 billion for system expansion, and $126 for system enhancement (which includes safety enhancements, operational improvements, and environmental projects).

https://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/roads/funding-futur...

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Controversial, I realize, but perhaps we should talk seriously about nationalizing the grid. Hold a competition between the best engineering schools. Design a grid that can distribute zero carbon energy, and intelligently cut power in emergency situations.

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> In 2017 the company killed thousands of customers 47, not "thousands", assuming all the 2017 wildfire deaths were attributable to PG&E. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_California_wildfires

In addition to the forty-odd folks killed in 2017, PG&E started the the Camp Fire (2018) where 85 people died, one is still missing, and 17 were injured. Who knows how many will get sick from the chemicals leeching out of the plastic water infrastructure and into the water itself. In 2015, PG&E only killed two people (Butte Fire). PG&E also poisoned a few hundred in Hinkley (the town Erin Brockovich made famous). PG&…

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For years and years and years, there was a scrappy little newspaper in San Francisco that warned (very much obnoxiously at times) about PG&E’s continuing private control of energy and power in the Bay Area and Northern California. That newspaper no longer exists. During my three years as a reporter there, I carefully avoided ever having to write PG&E stories, which were a near-fetish for the publisher, Bruce Brugmann…

Why does it seem like there are popularly presented the following two options:

1. A single government-mandated monopoly provider everywhere with no competition.

2. Government provider.

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Wildfires were prevented in the North of California where this occurred. The South of California was not spared and the Saddleridge wildfire still rages. I think yes more backup power and staffers are needed at community centers but these black outs are an important way to save lives.

Confirmation that fire in south of California is electrical related. Electricity was not turned off in south. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-13/saddleri...

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That attitude is all very well until you remember that there are people with medical equipment out there and literally rely on power to live. I’m not saying there are easy fixes but I don’t think flippantly disregarding concern has the right approach either.

Yes, I saw the story that someone who was on oxygen died during the outage. People with life essential medical equipment which runs on electrical power absolutely must ensure they have a backup power supply, be ready to activate it, and have a plan should an outage continue beyond their backup capacity. Power goes out, whether it’s a blackout, brownout, planned maintenance, or otherwise. Everyone should have plans fo…

How much should we spend? And for what length of outage? One week of full backup would be quite expensive.

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Private companies electrified ... specific high-profit regions of the United States. They were profoundly indifferent to most rural regions, leading to the Rural Electrification Act (1936). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Electrification_Act Thomas Edison's first power plant, the Pearl Street Power Station (1882) powered just 82 customers initially, largely commercial and industrial users. Large-scale electrifica…

Samuel Insull developed the public utility model and proved it to work by extending publicly regulated utilities into 30 states prior to the advent of the New Deal. Insull was put out of business by New York bankers who wanted to take over his business. http://blog.heartland.org/2013/07/samuel-insull-getting-the-... FDR needed enemies to blame to get his New Deal, and he had Insull hounded in the courts. Insull was f…

Wikipedia isn't my source. It is, however, a reliable reference for well-established facts. Such as the identity and general background of government utilities.

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> a large utility is not like a private company. We cannot let a large utility fail, and therefore they are more like a government organization than a private company. I see no way utilities provided by a for-profit company make sense. They are monopolies for services across entire swaths of the population. I can’t select which company I receive power from. In this model paying dividends to shareholders simply means…

Funny, in my state I actually get junk mail and door to door solicitors about switching energy suppliers. They even tout their renewable percentages in their marketing. Markets work if you let them.

Hi fellow Texan!

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> a large utility is not like a private company. We cannot let a large utility fail, and therefore they are more like a government organization than a private company. I see no way utilities provided by a for-profit company make sense. They are monopolies for services across entire swaths of the population. I can’t select which company I receive power from. In this model paying dividends to shareholders simply means…

Funny, in my state I actually get junk mail and door to door solicitors about switching energy suppliers. They even tout their renewable percentages in their marketing. Markets work if you let them.

I think the supply/generation makes for a naturally more competitive market than the distribution.

You can choose your supplier but not who runs your distribution.

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I hate to sound callous - every death is a tragedy to friends and family - but this seems like the least sympathetic victim in the whole affair. If your life depends on oxygen, then it is your responsibility to ensure its continued supply whether or not the wall socket works . The fact that there were generous warnings only compounds the self-neglect. Oxygen-dependent COPD is no joke. PG&E is not your healthcare prov…

Do not overestimate people's ability to stay informed. The elderly and infirm may have issues receiving those alerts. The given times may not actually reflect when the blackout will occur. Most utilities handle this by keeping a list of people with life-critical medical devices. In case of an outage they send emergency services. It appears he did have a backup, but was not able to get to it in time. People get hit cr…

I don't know about you, but I have never lived anywhere that there were not occasional power outages. Continuous over Short periods of time, yes. Over long Periods, no.
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