My understanding is that burying power lines is cheaper in the long run and less prone to failures (trees falling, cars smashing the utility poles, ...). Therefore, why can't this be done in the US and especially California? Or is it already done for new developments? If no, is it because of regulations?
‘This Did Not Go Well’: Inside PG&E’s Blackout Control Room
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Alsup is my favorite jurist. He's 74; may he preside forever. The above quote benefits from a little more context. Alsup's point is that PG&E paid dividends while slashing the maintenance budget — and as a judge, he's willing to step in and say "that's not right".
He also made that point. But his point here is that if we’re willing to assign liability to PG&E for damages from a brushfire sparked tomorrow... if in your mind PG&E is truly responsible for any resulting death or destruction if a tree falls on their transmission lines during a time of critical fire risk and sparks a blaze.... then it is not only prudent, but it would be morally and economically imperative to shut d…
At the same time, while it’s statisticslly likely that fires would happen with our without PG&E, we can’t escape the fact that they’ve been responsible for quite a few of them.
Paradise, California, was built very close to the wildlife-urban interface. And our federal forest management practices should be questioned. But, PG&E knew about the specific faulty equipment that ended up sparking the Camp fire.
Why didn’t they prioritize fixing equipment in a dry forest adjacent to a populated area? Why did they pay dividends if so much infrastructure was failing?
They’d have a much easier case to make if they could at least show an attempt to prioritize maintenance, especially in high risk areas. Then we could all say, “accidents happen.” But there’s a pattern with PG&E.
When people die on a highway because of human error, or an “act of god”, it’s one thing. Just as we should except that a massive utility will never have a 0% failure rate. But when a bridge collapses, and people knew the bridge was at risk of collapse, and dividends were paid instead of spending every available dollar on upgrades...
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#233Honest question here: I'm from Italy and here we have problems with fires as well. However, here power lines and district transformers are placed underground except high voltage and ultra high voltage ones, but those are above tree height and rely on much sturdier metal structures. My understanding is that burying power lines is cheaper in the long run and less prone to failures (trees falling, cars smashing the util…
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think its absurd to try to bill all the costs of every fire to the utility that may have sparked it ... PG&E has no control over the weather, winds, firefighting budgets, or forest policy, yet it alone is now to be held in total responsibility for all fires that originate with its equipment? thats absurd. There are two reasons why you're wrong. First, PG&E can't control the weather but did have control over its o…
> a large utility is not like a private company. We cannot let a large utility fail, and therefore they are more like a government organization than a private company. I see no way utilities provided by a for-profit company make sense. They are monopolies for services across entire swaths of the population. I can’t select which company I receive power from. In this model paying dividends to shareholders simply means…
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#235It will be interesting watching how all this plays out. As others have noted the liability math has certainly changed. Enough to bankrupt one of the largest utility companies in the country. One the other hand this is also a political statement. They are clearly signaling to the politicians that they better shield them from further liability or expect more of this behavior. Shut the power down when the wind blows, af…
This may be a naive question, but why aren't they being bankrupted (or hurt financially) for cutting off the power voluntarily? Their nominal job is to provide power, not doing so for reasons that aren't acts of god should open them to liability and/or (severe) penalties for violation of contract. If the appropriate legal framework doesn't currently exist I can't imagine a 'The lights stay on' bill would be all that…
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#236Judge William Alsup (remember him?) who is overseeing the PG&E case in San Francisco said about shutoffs; “The prudent thing to do when you’re uncertain is to turn the power off,” he said. “When the public complains that everything in the refrigerator is bad and the ice cream melted, then you could blame the judge. I’m willing to take the heat.” [1] - https://www.kqed.org/news/11737336/judge-pge-paid-out-stock-...
We have no way of knowing what would have happened without the power outages. PG&E's actions may have prevented a fire in this otherwise difficult situation, as they cannot magically fix the infrastructure with the snap of a finger. Sounds like I should thank the judge though!
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
That attitude is all very well until you remember that there are people with medical equipment out there and literally rely on power to live. I’m not saying there are easy fixes but I don’t think flippantly disregarding concern has the right approach either.
Yes, I saw the story that someone who was on oxygen died during the outage. People with life essential medical equipment which runs on electrical power absolutely must ensure they have a backup power supply, be ready to activate it, and have a plan should an outage continue beyond their backup capacity. Power goes out, whether it’s a blackout, brownout, planned maintenance, or otherwise. Everyone should have plans fo…
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
If PG&E were not heavily regulated, why wouldn't they have even just one private competitor? I mean, how hard of a sell is it: knock on door and say, "We're not PG&E." I'm pretty sure 60% of prospects would sign up right away. I've lived 30+ years in California and everybody hates PG&E. I've never talked to someone who had a different opinion.
If PG&E were not heavily regulated, why wouldn't they have even just one private competitor? I mean, how hard of a sell is it: knock on door and say, "We're not PG&E." I'm pretty sure 60% of prospects would sign up right away. I've lived 30+ years in California and everybody hates PG&E. I've never talked to someone who had a different opinion. Why? Because PG&E has fought long and hard to keep their monopoly. They've…
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#239That newspaper no longer exists. During my three years as a reporter there, I carefully avoided ever having to write PG&E stories, which were a near-fetish for the publisher, Bruce Brugmann.
But maybe he was right about giving public ownership a real shot in the Bay Area, even if he was annoying as shit about it at times. (It should also be noted that he was from a heartland state where public power is common.)
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#240Honest question here: I'm from Italy and here we have problems with fires as well. However, here power lines and district transformers are placed underground except high voltage and ultra high voltage ones, but those are above tree height and rely on much sturdier metal structures. My understanding is that burying power lines is cheaper in the long run and less prone to failures (trees falling, cars smashing the util…
Since PG&E has no competitors, and new competitors cannot form, PG&E has no reason to invest further in its infrastructure.