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Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by scarface74 »

pjmlp wrote: post #20
scarface74 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how much has it cost Microsoft? Apple was able to successfully take the base of MacOS and port it’s operating system to a much lower spec phone back in 2007 and came to dominate the smart phone market (in profit they only thing that matters), the tablet market where MS failed repeatedly, not to mention it was able to port the base OS to everything from Watches and TV set top boxes - all things that Microsoft trie…

Apparently people keep forgetting that laptops and 2-1 hybrids are desktops as well. Microsoft is doing pretty well there, to the point that in many shopping mall shops in Europe, Android tablets have been slowly being replaced by hybrid laptops running Windows 10.

Microsoft Surface sells are estimated to be 20% of Mac sales.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/surface-by-the-numbers-how-mic...

Apple sells about 20 million Macs a year and even that pales in comparison to mobile sells.

The total sales of computers is estimated to be around 63 million last quarter according to Gartner. Compared to 310 million cell phones (https://www.androidcentral.com/phone-sales-continue-decline-...)

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by Pmop »

scarface74 wrote: post #11
chimi wrote: post #2

This is why Microsoft is the better long-term play: Backwards compatibility -- their commitment to the investment of labor. If you build your software on Apple, there almost certainly will come a point in the future where your code will cease to work. Microsoft has made a commitment to backward compatibility. It's such a huge benefit. I have code that has continued to run, untouched, for decades . I don't have to upg…

And how much has it cost Microsoft? Apple was able to successfully take the base of MacOS and port it’s operating system to a much lower spec phone back in 2007 and came to dominate the smart phone market (in profit they only thing that matters), the tablet market where MS failed repeatedly, not to mention it was able to port the base OS to everything from Watches and TV set top boxes - all things that Microsoft trie…

Microsoft did manage to port Windows to mobile platforms, with success to some extent. Notice that it's Windows for Desktop that maintains support for legacy software. Support for legacy software isn't necessarily detrimental to success. Microsoft's lost battle in phone market has nothing to do with it. In addition, Microsoft seems to be doing just fine in the other markets, and it's been growing on cloud, which we may consider to be a new market. The whole 'support legacy and risk being stuck on the past' argument makes no sense.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by Aloha »

I can understand eliminating CarbonLib support, though I would have made CarbonLib an optional component you needed to install on the OS a couple years ago to make it clear this was now an optional component that may no longer be supported in the near future.

I also don't get why they would eliminate all 32-bit userspace support though - like why eliminate support for 32-bit Cocoa apps, and I think Apple made a mistake here by eliminating support.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by threeseed »

behnamoh wrote: post #13

Apple might think it can get away with removing the 3.5mm audio jack or restricting iOS users to only one app store or not allowing flash content on iOS Safari etc., but they sure as hell can't get away with such ridiculous changes when it comes to macOS pro users. What is Apple thinking, really? They might be able to start a global change in the mobile industry because they own a huge market share there, but when it…

2019 and you're still bringing up Flash ?

And if you do own a Mac which I highly doubt you would know that nothing really has changed. I can still run the apps I want. I can still use Homebrew to install CLI tools and libraries. I still don't need to use the App Store.

The only difference is that they finally got rid of 32-bit support which was a decision years in the making.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by gok »

semiotagonal wrote: post #14
chimi wrote: post #2

This is why Microsoft is the better long-term play: Backwards compatibility -- their commitment to the investment of labor. If you build your software on Apple, there almost certainly will come a point in the future where your code will cease to work. Microsoft has made a commitment to backward compatibility. It's such a huge benefit. I have code that has continued to run, untouched, for decades . I don't have to upg…

I have a 32-bit application I use regularly to interface with old hardware (which isn't on the list incidentally; I suspect there are many other niche applications like this). The hardware vendor isn't going to re-write it. As such I have to... 1) Avoid MacOS upgrades forever, or 2) Let the hardware become nearly impossible to use (there are workarounds on the device itself, but it's really painful to use), or 3) Wri…

That hardware has software that works on modern Linux kernels?

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by gruturo »

ellisv wrote: post #16
chimi wrote: post #2

This is why Microsoft is the better long-term play: Backwards compatibility -- their commitment to the investment of labor. If you build your software on Apple, there almost certainly will come a point in the future where your code will cease to work. Microsoft has made a commitment to backward compatibility. It's such a huge benefit. I have code that has continued to run, untouched, for decades . I don't have to upg…

> I have code that has continued to run, untouched, for decades. This isn’t always a good thing. I usually don’t like when a piece of software feels like it hasn’t been updated since the 90s. But I guess we don’t want some military defense system to break because it’s 32-bit either.

I could hardly care less how modern a piece of software "feels" as long as it's usable. It doesn't stop being usable 5 years later due to being out of fashion. Many recent redesigns (hello Gmail) are quite the opposite to me btw.

I care about fixing security holes, and actually useful improvements (to the UI as well, why not, when they make sense)

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by afroboy »

scarface74 wrote: post #11
chimi wrote: post #2

This is why Microsoft is the better long-term play: Backwards compatibility -- their commitment to the investment of labor. If you build your software on Apple, there almost certainly will come a point in the future where your code will cease to work. Microsoft has made a commitment to backward compatibility. It's such a huge benefit. I have code that has continued to run, untouched, for decades . I don't have to upg…

And how much has it cost Microsoft? Apple was able to successfully take the base of MacOS and port it’s operating system to a much lower spec phone back in 2007 and came to dominate the smart phone market (in profit they only thing that matters), the tablet market where MS failed repeatedly, not to mention it was able to port the base OS to everything from Watches and TV set top boxes - all things that Microsoft trie…

Unless you have shares in Apple your whole point is invalid, you're looking to this from Apple point of view which is very good for her business but not mine, i care about the company that give me the best solutions to my problems not the company that's can milk me the last day of my life.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by pmiller2 »

chimi wrote: post #2

This is why Microsoft is the better long-term play: Backwards compatibility -- their commitment to the investment of labor. If you build your software on Apple, there almost certainly will come a point in the future where your code will cease to work. Microsoft has made a commitment to backward compatibility. It's such a huge benefit. I have code that has continued to run, untouched, for decades . I don't have to upg…

Absolutely. Microsoft will even preserve behavior that most people would consider bugs, just to keep old software running. I would say backwards compatibility is a guiding principle of consumer software development at MSFT.

Edit: It really says something that the top examples in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_compatibility are from MSFT platforms.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Post by wetpaws »

scarface74 wrote: post #18
wetpaws wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Windows it is perfectly reasonable to expect aps running even if they are 20 or sometimes 30 years old.

64 bit Windows doesn’t run 16 bit Windows code.

https://youtu.be/8WP7AkJo3OE

Yes and no. You can run progman and file manager on modern windows. Hell, you can run DOS aps.

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