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“Dune” Endures (2013)

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Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Author seems overly dismissive of the sequels. While they aren’t as great as the first, many of them are still very good books with interesting ideas. The stuff written by others (not Frank Herbert) on the other hand, does seem to be dreck based on my sampling.

As with the Matrix, the main problem with the sequels is that they deconstruct the basic geek power fantasies set up at the start.

No, the main problem with the sequels is that they add nothing to the lore. The first 2 books have a very detailed description of Dune universe and Arrakis and all the political factions. The rest of the saga brings nothing new or really interesting. They feel derivative. Nothing in the sequels have not been said in the first 2 books. So they felt already uninspired. It gets even worse after God Emperor of Dune, Herbert clearly had nothing more tosay after that.

Dune isn't a "geek power fantasy" Isekai style, it's a cautionary tale against blind faith in leaders and religion. It's made clear from the start that the protagonist, Paul, isn't a hero, as him and his mother manipulate the fremens to gain their trust.

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No book with an Iron Maiden song made in its tribute qualifies as "not having penetrated the popular culture." It's merely taken a path through the culture more befitting its challenging material. It is not a book for tawdry conventions and endless merchandising. It is a book for parents to introduce to their children, with a sly smile, on a free weekend, when they have come of age. It's the progressive rock of scien…

For the curious the song is "To Tame a Land (1983)", and was going to be called Dune, but permission was not granted. When I think of unexpected Maiden I recall The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, but this was a good crossover too.

I am not amused by that song, feels like cheap capitalization on "Dune" popularity at the time. Lyrics are nothing special, sounds are quite ok but I take "Wasted years" over this any time. Sounds like Sabbaton, who is capitalizing on "battle songs" for different countries.

It is not like I don't like Iron Maiden but yeah, there is some metal band somewhere doing "Harry Potter" metal song. Though maybe I am too cynical :)

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"Fear is the mindkiller" may be super memorable, but the end of the litany (paraphrased): "I will let it pass through me and over me and when it is gone I will look where has been and there only I will remain" - well, applies to just about anything with great success.

Practicing this once saved my life while scuba diving. I was stuck in a cave and I began to panic and hyperventilate. Having delt with other high stress situations and remembering this full quote prepared me. Being able to identify my emotion in a high stress moment and knowing that the fear would pass is what calmed me down and think my way out of my problem. It's not enough to remember the words. You also need to p…

Care to tell what happened? I am intrigued (and horrified). The idea of being stuck in an underwater cave is the stuff of nightmares.

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"One winter evening, I heard him read my mother a passage about a young man named Paul Atreides who was forced to place his hand into the blackness of a box while an old woman, the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, held a poison needle at his neck, the gom jabbar. Though I didn't realize it at the time, this was the opening chapter of Dune. Pauls' hand would feel intense pain, the wrinkled crone told him, but if he…

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And some nice drum and bass sampling/quoting here: DJ Aphrodite - Spice ( Of The Gods Remix ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Td5sSdbRQE

Also a Drum & Bass classic: Paradox - A Certain Sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PeZ6YsbQ8

And trance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFvB1oNOC0

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Ah, sorry. I'd somehow got it into my head that we were specifically talking about the movie. I do love the book too. But the movie is better.

better in what ways? Even Lynch does not want to say he was attached to the movie after it came out.

I'd like to know, too. I can speculate about people being turned off by the shifting POV, heavy internal thoughts, and dry style of it. But I'd rather here it straight from the horse's mouth.

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The last Dune movie (1984) didn't do it. "It's like The Last Airbender, but with sand."

I might be in the minority but I liked the Dune movie. It introduced the universe, how it worked, had a solid cast. The movie is clearly one from the 80s with it's dedication to atmosphere.

I loved Lynch's 1984 adaptation of Dune. It was far, far better than the SciFi channel garbage that came afterwards, and it got me interested in reading the novels, all which I've read multiple times now (something I very rarely do).

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I've been yearning to read those notes for decades now. Any idea of their situation? Is there a chance they'll ever be released?

There seems almost zero chance that the notes will be released. Brian has been increasingly adament about it, largely because a lot of people are vocal about suspecting they don't exist. (I personally do believe that some notes were left, but I suspect they were not complete, and were utterly ignored by Brian & Kevin. Because they is no explanation which makes more sense. There's no way he would have tied up with ser…

I dunno, when you re-read Heretics and Chapter House after knowing how it ends, you can see some set-ups for the ultimate big-bad. And Sonia's vision in God emperor does also link up.

So, maybe? I lean towards thinking there were notes myself, as I can't see anyone making up that ending de-novo.

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Dune is old enough to have deeper connections than just catch phrases. It spawned RTS games via the Dune 2 game based on the movie. RTS games then which spawned Moba's like League of Legends via Warcraft III (Defense of the Ancients). Though as you say “Fear is the mind killer” shows up all over the place.

Folks forget about Dune 1 too. In 1992, it was one of the first "modern" 4X games (SimCity 1989, Civilization 1991). Even given shorter game development timelines, it deserves more credit than it gets.

Dune 1 is one my favourite games. I still pull it up once every few years and play it out. Beautifully made.

The Space Opera soundtrack by Exxos is also epic!

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Re-reading Dune many years later I found it to be pretty cringey. Laurence of Outer Space basically. Maybe the 2nd book was better ...?

Wow. You, uh, missed, well... a lot. Just on one note, the entire aspect that the prophecies Paul steps into were literally fabricated as sort of sleeper memes for later use? Like, of course that's cringe worthy, of course it reeks of foreign savior complexes, _it was built to be that_. The next three books get increasingly philosophical and many people don't like them, but I very much do.

This may come as a surprise to the fanatics of Dune, but there are actually some of us who finished it and just rolled our eyes at the end.

It was subpar for me in just about every way, and cringey would be an apt description of the entire experience.

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