Author seems overly dismissive of the sequels. While they aren’t as great as the first, many of them are still very good books with interesting ideas. The stuff written by others (not Frank Herbert) on the other hand, does seem to be dreck based on my sampling.
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#12> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…
> Fear is the mind killer?
"Fear is the mind-killer," whispers Paul Atreides. "So is this movie," groaned the critics.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/th...
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
The last Dune movie (1984) didn't do it. "It's like The Last Airbender, but with sand."
I might be in the minority but I liked the Dune movie. It introduced the universe, how it worked, had a solid cast. The movie is clearly one from the 80s with it's dedication to atmosphere.
I also liked it. The navigator really didn’t appear u til the second book, but I still liked it in the movie. The “voice” amplifier weapons were hokey, but the theme of the movie was cool, years before it was termed steampunk.
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#14Author seems overly dismissive of the sequels. While they aren’t as great as the first, many of them are still very good books with interesting ideas. The stuff written by others (not Frank Herbert) on the other hand, does seem to be dreck based on my sampling.
The biggest flaw with the sequels is that they end up not ending- in the same way the Dune Messiah was a setup for Children of Dune, it seems that Heretics and Chapterhouse were leading up to the seventh book that Herbert died before writing.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
The last Dune movie (1984) didn't do it. "It's like The Last Airbender, but with sand."
I might be in the minority but I liked the Dune movie. It introduced the universe, how it worked, had a solid cast. The movie is clearly one from the 80s with it's dedication to atmosphere.
Check out fanedit redux; it's actually a good movie, presumably something like was intended before they edited it to crap.
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#16> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…
The author of the article is not very knowledgeable about dune it seems. Dune has quite the fan base it just never had a good commercial success in movies and TV to become mainstream.
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#17> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…
"Wheels within wheels" is a biblical reference.
https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/1-16.htm
Edit: It comes up in country songs sometimes, e.g. https://youtu.be/g6a9sYiBtlM?t=539
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#18Author seems overly dismissive of the sequels. While they aren’t as great as the first, many of them are still very good books with interesting ideas. The stuff written by others (not Frank Herbert) on the other hand, does seem to be dreck based on my sampling.
The biggest flaw with the sequels is that they end up not ending- in the same way the Dune Messiah was a setup for Children of Dune, it seems that Heretics and Chapterhouse were leading up to the seventh book that Herbert died before writing.
His son Brian and Kevin J Anderson did write the last installment based on detailed notes from Frank Herbert, so at least the story is complete.
While their writing is not as brilliant as Frank Herbert's, the books they wrote, mainly the prequels, have helped me understand just how big the original vision was and have helped me enjoy the sequels more. God Emperor is truly as masterpiece, but it took a couple of reads, and the sequels, for me to appreciate it more.
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#19>As David Itzkoff noted in 2006, what’s curious about “Dune” ’s stature is that it has not penetrated popular culture in the way that “The Lord of the Rings” and “Star Wars” have. There are no “Dune” conventions. Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The movie next year oughta do it, if the star-studded cast and acclaimed director are any indication.
The last Dune movie (1984) didn't do it. "It's like The Last Airbender, but with sand."
I loved the movie when it was released, and felt it was true in spirit to the book. Sure, some of the details were missed or altered, but that was to be expected in a movie adaptation of a book with so many details. Herbert was on the set and at least had some input. Baron Harkkonen has to be one of the most memorable movie characters ever.
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#20Author seems overly dismissive of the sequels. While they aren’t as great as the first, many of them are still very good books with interesting ideas. The stuff written by others (not Frank Herbert) on the other hand, does seem to be dreck based on my sampling.
As with the Matrix, the main problem with the sequels is that they deconstruct the basic geek power fantasies set up at the start.