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“Dune” Endures (2013)

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Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by fingerlocks »

609venezia wrote: post #26
_qwfv wrote: post #7

> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…

These phrases are probably much more popular among the Hacker News reading crowd than the broader culture, I would bet.

I've heard fear is the mind killer used in the skiing in rock climbing scene. It's used as to encourage someone that is nervous about skiing a narrow/steep couloir or climbing a route at their physical limit. That crowd is very bookwormish too.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by btrask »

s_Hogg wrote: post #41
pmoriarty wrote: post #25

"One winter evening, I heard him read my mother a passage about a young man named Paul Atreides who was forced to place his hand into the blackness of a box while an old woman, the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, held a poison needle at his neck, the gom jabbar. Though I didn't realize it at the time, this was the opening chapter of Dune. Pauls' hand would feel intense pain, the wrinkled crone told him, but if he…

Why is Brian Herbert as lucid as this talking about his dad, but so terrible when trying to write a book following on from his work? Bit of a puzzle to me.

He loved his dad, but he didn't love what his dad loved.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by doc_gunthrop »

_qwfv wrote: post #7

> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…

Don't forget: "The sleeper must awaken!"

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by [deleted] »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #9
koboll wrote: post #4

>As David Itzkoff noted in 2006, what’s curious about “Dune” ’s stature is that it has not penetrated popular culture in the way that “The Lord of the Rings” and “Star Wars” have. There are no “Dune” conventions. Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The movie next year oughta do it, if the star-studded cast and acclaimed director are any indication.

> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. What an odd framing. True, perhaps, but what about from the 1984 movie? > "The spice must flow!" > "If you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the worm" > "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." Fra…

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Post by tyfon »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #8
Animats wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last Dune movie (1984) didn't do it. "It's like The Last Airbender, but with sand."

I might be in the minority but I liked the Dune movie. It introduced the universe, how it worked, had a solid cast. The movie is clearly one from the 80s with it's dedication to atmosphere.

You're not alone.

It's one of my favourite movies, however it deviates quite a bit from the books. Still good :)

I can see why other might not like it though.

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Post by INTPenis »

_qwfv wrote: post #7

> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…

I have a tattoo that says Fear is the mind killer because of Dune. But I'm a huge scifi fan and consider stuff like Revelation Space much better than any star wars or treks.

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Post by stormking »

geargrinder wrote: post #18
tedivm wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest flaw with the sequels is that they end up not ending- in the same way the Dune Messiah was a setup for Children of Dune, it seems that Heretics and Chapterhouse were leading up to the seventh book that Herbert died before writing.

His son Brian and Kevin J Anderson did write the last installment based on detailed notes from Frank Herbert, so at least the story is complete. While their writing is not as brilliant as Frank Herbert's, the books they wrote, mainly the prequels, have helped me understand just how big the original vision was and have helped me enjoy the sequels more. God Emperor is truly as masterpiece, but it took a couple of reads…

Oh yeah, the story about the "detailled notes" in a box ... I wouldn't believe any of this.

The prequels are basically Star Wars books set in the Dune universe.

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Post by RangerScience »

_qwfv wrote: post #7

> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…

"Fear is the mindkiller" may be super memorable, but the end of the litany (paraphrased): "I will let it pass through me and over me and when it is gone I will look where has been and there only I will remain" - well, applies to just about anything with great success.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by stormking »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #8
Animats wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last Dune movie (1984) didn't do it. "It's like The Last Airbender, but with sand."

I might be in the minority but I liked the Dune movie. It introduced the universe, how it worked, had a solid cast. The movie is clearly one from the 80s with it's dedication to atmosphere.

I loved the aesthetics and half of the cast (Paul, Leto, Duncan, Lady Jessica), hated the rest.

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Post by RangerScience »

phlakaton wrote: post #31

No book with an Iron Maiden song made in its tribute qualifies as "not having penetrated the popular culture." It's merely taken a path through the culture more befitting its challenging material. It is not a book for tawdry conventions and endless merchandising. It is a book for parents to introduce to their children, with a sly smile, on a free weekend, when they have come of age. It's the progressive rock of scien…

Slow clap. Well said.
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