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Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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post #38

I hope this doesn't cause Facebook to give up on Libra. I personally have no desire to own Libra. But traditional bank accounts kind of suck as a product and I would like to see more tech companies competing with them. The problems with bank accounts: 1. They charge you fees for things 2. They try to upsell me stupid financial products 3. They are not easy to use in other countries 4. Typing in my credit card number…

Do you really think a Facebook currency is not going to charge fees and upsell you left, right and centre the first moment they think they can get away with it? That's as well as targeting advertising and selling data of your spending patterns.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#62
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 and 2 are solved by a decent credit union. 3 is solved by a decent credit card, 4 and 5 are solved by Apple/Google Pay. None of these require a cryptocurrency.

What about using your money electronically without permission from a large organization?

How does a Facebook currency help here?

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#63
post #46

The centralisation of Libra made it easy to kill. Bitcoin can be hampered but not outright killed, at least not over night. A death by a thousand cuts is the most likely solution but by no means guarantees Victory.

Bitcoin can be killed by means other than technological. For example it can be outlawed. Sure, people would still be able to use it, but they would be breaking the law and that would deter many, possibly enough to kill it outright.

Bitcoin does not need to be killed because it’s dead already: proved to be useless for all practical purposes, now used mostly for money laundering or other criminal activities

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#64
I honestly don't see how to reconcile two desirable aspects of digital currency

- Frictionless, fee-less digital transfer of a medium of value. To be able to transfer money natively over the internet.

- To keep it secure for 7 billion people - reversible, auditable etc - the benefits we have of a curated financial system.

I am sure there are lots of reading on this available - but those two do seem incompatible

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#65
There was absolutely no reason for this to project to exist. The only feature of digital currencies that make some of them interesting is that they are fully distributed and based on absolutely zero trust of other users on the network. What Facebook was trying to do here was take something that could be implemented in a standard centralized database, stick some marketing on it, and try to ride a hype wave that has since (rightfully) died down.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#66

Cowards just are fleeing as government bullies said they won't tolerate loosing control over citizens' money.

Call me old-fashioned, but I would rather have a government manage my money. Buying groceries with Facebook scrip isn’t my idea of a good time.

I don't insist on being sure it is actually going to work this way and Facebook isn't going to have the power over Libra yet the available concept says it's not meant to. Libra is meant to set you free (libre), not to be managed by Facebook or anybody. I am and many are totally sick of PayPal blocking accounts for no reason, requiring residence verification, charging ridiculous commissions, etc. Libra was supposed to become electronic cash, kind of like BitCoin was supposed to but you know, BitCoin has its problems making so it can't be used like cash any more. Do you really not want a currency you can use like cash (which can by used by anybody, everywhere, instantly and anonymously) but electronically.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#67
I think FB should take a lesson from this - be less respectful. They have done everything not to tread on anyone's toes, but that is not what innovation is about. They have the userbase and the ability to give this a shot all on their own. Do it and make something great, then deal with the consequences.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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post #65

There was absolutely no reason for this to project to exist. The only feature of digital currencies that make some of them interesting is that they are fully distributed and based on absolutely zero trust of other users on the network. What Facebook was trying to do here was take something that could be implemented in a standard centralized database, stick some marketing on it, and try to ride a hype wave that has si…

Absolutely. My definition of a decentralised system is not one that's controlled by a handful of entities...

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#69
I wonder what would have happened if Facebook had simply announced Libra and released it a week later. Would the legislative backlash have been stronger? Or would the quick release bring to light the (always preached about but not always demonstrable) advantages of cryptocurrencies.

I'm not (yet) doubting that Libra will eventually be released, but I can see it being shutdown before or sometime after release.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#70
> A Visa spokesperson told The Verge. “Visa has decided not to join the Libra Association at this time,” the spokesperson said. “We will continue to evaluate and our ultimate decision will be determined by a number of factors, including the Association’s ability to fully satisfy all requisite regulatory expectations.”

I suspect the regulatory pushback was the least of the problem. These companies (and PayPal) have everything to lose and nothing to gain by helping to advance Libra. The entire business model is to capture value from financial system friction. Eliminating the friction eliminates their reason for being.

It's a classic innovator's dilemma: the action that will save these companies is building the thing that will destroy their business models. They can't do it because established companies are set up to eject people persisting with such notions. That leaves the field open for an out-of-left field solution that does away with the friction and the business models it spawned.

The source of the friction is regulatory. AML. KYC. All the laws that deputize financial institutions as extensions of law enforcement. It's quite expensive.

The only way to eliminate the friction is to eliminate the regulatory liability. And that's what has been happening with Bitcoin for some time.

What is surprising was that these companies ever lent their names to the project in the first place.

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