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Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#31
It looks like a misstep followed by a hasty and ignominious retreat because thats exactly what happened - no one anticipated the reaction from lawmakers and rules agencies.

Its kind of hard to see this from the perspective of people who follow tech and HN, but Libra really may have been the first occasion that the possibility of crypto as anything other than an investment instrument - e.g. an actual usage as currency - penetrated the awareness of top national political leadership. Yes the ICO's got some attention but in many ways that attention seemed to suggest that crypto would be tolerated. And probably it will be, as long as it is simply another category of asset.

It will not be tolerated as currency, and governments will destroy any crypto that threatens to become one. For now, BTC is safe because its usage as a currency is minuscule and threatens no one. If it were to become successful, it will be destroyed. I've always known that was a possibility but now I'm sure of it.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#32

Cowards just are fleeing as government bullies said they won't tolerate loosing control over citizens' money.

Call me old-fashioned, but I would rather have a government manage my money. Buying groceries with Facebook scrip isn’t my idea of a good time.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#33
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Not one that isn't regulated and that is controlled by a company with a penchant for walking the legal gray area line.

Let's remind ourselves that the entire point of the Calibra organization from which these companies have withdrawn their applications is to decentralize the governance of the coin. Facebook would not have unilateral control by any stretch of the imagination.

>Facebook would not have unilateral control by any stretch of the imagination.

At minimum they are the registered owner the Libra federal trademarks...that's a funny first step for a "decentralized" project. Satoshi Nakamoto never trademarked bitcoin or blockchain for that matter.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#34

I'm actually kind of bummed out about this. I may not like FB, but I like the idea of a digital currency backed by a floating basket of currencies.

I'm actually quite relieved about this. I don't know who I want to control such a thing, but it sure as hell isn't Facebook (or Google, Amazon, MS, Apple for that matter). I think what it'll take is a company with a profit (i.e. subscription/fee) model that clearly doesn't rely on pimping out consumer data to any/all comers and takes GDPR privacy to heart.

What about Apple's profit model involves pimping out consumer data to any/all comers?

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#35
The current financial system worldwide looks quite suspect right now, negative interest rates could soon become a new norm in the EU even officially in retail. Most importantly political leaders in the US(and EU) have scaled up their massive money-printing schemes designed to keep their banking-financial overlords in business.

With that in mind, the very last thing the EU and US authorities want is for the people who (mostly unwittingly) underpin the actual value to have an Exit from this type of controlled use of inflation into an alternative currency backed by say gold and other hard to inflate commodities, because allowing any significant amount of that.. (remember the true impact is inverse of the real fractional-reserve in play) would lead to a collapse in the power of the existing political-financial hegemony.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#36
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not one that isn't regulated and that is controlled by a company with a penchant for walking the legal gray area line.

Not only the legal gray line, but also the equally important moral gray line. Good riddance.

Devil's advocate: Pretty much every fiat currency out there is also backed by an entity with an ethical checkered past. That's one of the major political motivations behind cryptocurrencies.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#37

I wonder how much of this is companies distancing themselves from Facebook rather than being purely about the cryptocurrency project.

I doubt they were ever TRULY enthusiastic about this project, since its premise cuts into their primary bread-and-butter legacy business. I suspect their involvment was almost more of a " Keep your friends close and your enemies closer " sort of thing. The idea that it's better to be involved than shut out. But if I were them, I would be low-key thrilled that this is falling apart.

The primary threat for payment processors and fiat currency is real cryptocurrency.

Libra is a fake cryptocurrency that the payment processors and governments hoped would help to hold off the cryptocurrencies for a few extra years. It would have allowed the payment processors to continue to profit from transactions and made it practical for governments to control payments and wallets.

They are probably pulling out for two reasons. One, having all of the payment processors involved makes it too obvious that it's not actually a cryptocurrency. Two, it's dead in the water, and to even have a slight hope of reviving it, that association with payment processors needs to go away. If they are able to resurrect it, expect the companies to come back down the line.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#38
I hope this doesn't cause Facebook to give up on Libra.

I personally have no desire to own Libra. But traditional bank accounts kind of suck as a product and I would like to see more tech companies competing with them.

The problems with bank accounts:

1. They charge you fees for things

2. They try to upsell me stupid financial products

3. They are not easy to use in other countries

4. Typing in my credit card number sucks

5. Typing in my credit card number isn't secure

None of that has really gotten any better in the past ten years. It feels like banks have mostly given up on making their product better. Instead of improving their product, they just buy more expensive retail locations.

I would probably rather use a financial product produced by Google, Microsoft, or Amazon than a financial product produced by Facebook. I just don't want the rules to end up being, big tech companies are not permitted to compete with crappy banks.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

#39
Call me cynical, but the whole idea of Libra would be disruptive to the existing international payment businesses, such as the ones that just exited. So the only reason for them to join in the first place would be to basically "know your enemy" - make certain you get the first-person intel on the project's vitals and to know what to expect. Now that a couple of governments made it clear that there would be roadblocks in deploying Libra according to the original roadmap, it is no longer seen as a threat, so anyone without a direct monetization interest (Facebook itself?) is going to leave.
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