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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by moosey »

Ultimately, we can talk about the ethics or whatever around this, but politics has nothing to do with ethics. I find it shocking that we cannot discuss the general nature of the US political system, but are willing to discuss what are ultimately political concerns in other nations.

Either we cover the US political systems, it's treatment of refugees and immigrants, and the ridiculous denial of science and human welfare... or we don't and we leave other countries alone. I am as appalled as anyone by what is happening here, but why would this article be allowed, and not others that point out, rightfully, that this is due to actions by the current POTUS (probably for personal gain, too).

Confessing that human welfare is a political decision makes me sick, but look around.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by nyxtom »

Thought experiment:

Given an internet connection, you can publish information anywhere, so why need these platforms at all to publish the information?

- Viral content, more easily spread among the world network due to the nature of how these networks operate from a social perspective.

When access is restricted to these websites, what is the solution? Several options are available:

- Keep the content you were planning on publishing saved for later publishing if/when access to these resume - Given that you yourself might not make it (along with your data), it is imperative to be able to distribute your content somewhere else as quickly as possible

This leads the following proposed solutions to problems like this:

- If any internet connection is available at all, then information can be published somewhere such that it is capable of being eventually queued into your public profiles. The only way an authoritarian regime can mitigate this is by completing banning all internet activity and cell phone use (for instance, I seem to remember that you used to be able to tweet to a phone number, or use common endpoints like email to publish your messages).

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by throwaway5752 »

_xnmw wrote: post #114
throwaway5752 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The source you posted seems to support my point, that America was outmanoeuvred. Even if Trump did greenlight the operation, it seems that he was forced to. Trump saying that he did in fact greenlight it is the easiest way to save face.

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by scumbert »

ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

The mental gymnastics in this thread, yeesh. "The U.S. should leave and stop interfering!" and "The U.S. should stay and help the Kurds!" are not simultaneously possible.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by xxxtentachyon »

megous wrote: post #117
spoiledtechie wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed here. It can't be stopped unless people sit down and talk things out.

Since when CIVIL wars involve several remote superpowers and a bunch of local countries?

Many times? During the US Civil War, Great Britain gave serious thought to intervening on behalf of the Confederacy on whom they depended for cotton supplies (India at the time was still experimenting with cotton horticulture), and gave tacit financial support throughout the war. Virtually all of the Latin American civil wars of the second half of the last century saw the US give material or military support to anti-communist forces.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by throwaway5752 »

scumbert wrote: post #124
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

The mental gymnastics in this thread, yeesh. "The U.S. should leave and stop interfering!" and "The U.S. should stay and help the Kurds!" are not simultaneously possible.

I'm confused. You seem to be describing two groups of people disagreeing. How is that mental gymnastics?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by megous »

johnchristopher wrote: post #80
m00dy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

Regardless of wether you are wrong or right I believe you shouldn't be downvoted since your comment serves as a different point of view.

The comment should be downvoted for inacurracy.

"Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters."

This is very doubtful and should either be supported by some facts or retracted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%E2%80%93ISIL_conflict#2...

vs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_military_interve...

Coalition killed ~80,000 vs Turkey killed ~6,000.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by beachy »

megous wrote: post #117
spoiledtechie wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed here. It can't be stopped unless people sit down and talk things out.

Since when CIVIL wars involve several remote superpowers and a bunch of local countries?

Vietnam.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

#129

Post by dfasdfasd »

m00dy wrote: post #87
TheArcane wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having strong equality between man/women shouldn't be the only parameter when you are picking up your allies It does become a lot easier for them to qualify as allies if they share core western values

Oh really ? How about political view of PKK/YPG ? Do you think they embrace western values as well ? They are Marxist–Leninist Communist.

I would much rather have a society of equitable Marxist-Leninists (which they are not) than authoritarian far-right Turkey. At least their values would be in line with mine, regardless of their political ideology.

It's pathetic that you're using this red-scare nonsense to justify a borderline genocide.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by throwaway5752 »

buboard wrote: post #107
_xnmw wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's an official denial of a "green light" Have you considered the possibility that a green light was, in fact, not given, and that Putin has simply outmanoeuvred America in this case? I think the evidence points towards Russian intel backing Turkey's latest operation. America completely failed to implement her interests in the region partly due the absolute mess of her internal politics, e.g. a still completely…

What are America s interests in the region? From the region it looks like America is doing random crap that sparks wars and refugees

Oil, just like everyone else on the planet for the last century. The Tethys Sea ran from the Persian Gulf across central Europe and the Mediterranean hundreds of millions of years ago, deposited massive oil reserves, and cursed the region and its people.
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