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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by thedaemon »

olah_1 wrote: post #18
postmarkman wrote: post #8

Time to do Mastodon and hope around servers of the fediverse!

Relevant Tweet: >Mastodon is proving to be a system so censorship resistant even its creators can't censor it. https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/1147772867783929856 It seems like federation is actually more censorship resistant in some ways than fully distributed p2p systems. Because an ISP could block ports and things required for p2p connections, right?

Can you post the relevant Toot instead? I think using a twitter link for mastodon is going against mastodon user philosophy.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by pearjuice »

I find it remarkable how when Israel creates a buffer zone for an open air prison because "terrorists" the world applauds and accepts their right to defend themselves, but when Turkey does it they are in the wrong. Surely, there is some double standard here?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by yalph »

driverdan wrote: post #68
OzzyB wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more shocked at comments like yours that get echoed and promoted without any context whatsoever, but then again "Anti-Turkishism" is a thing. What I'm shocked about is how a so called ally can side and arm a vowed terrorist group for years and expect there to be no fallout, but then "Pro-Kurdishism" is a thing. I do love however the narrative that the Kurds are this angelic force that helped us when no other woul…

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Ya Obama can kill brown people. Its fiiine! I think its time for you to use your critical thinking abilities.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by NoGravitas »

m00dy wrote: post #87
TheArcane wrote: post #83

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> Having strong equality between man/women shouldn't be the only parameter when you are picking up your allies It does become a lot easier for them to qualify as allies if they share core western values

Oh really ? How about political view of PKK/YPG ? Do you think they embrace western values as well ? They are Marxist–Leninist Communist.

Not exactly. I'm not going to go too much into the distinction between the PKK and the YPG, but they are not the same organization. The correction I want to make is to note that the official ideology of the YPG is [Democratic Confederalism][0]. It is a form of libertarian socialism, strongly influenced by the ideas of Murray Bookchin.

A brief quote from the Wikipedia article:

Democratic confederalism is a "system of popularly elected administrative councils, allowing local communities to exercise autonomous control over their assets, while linking to other communities via a network of confederal councils." Decisions are made by communes in each neighborhood, village, or city. All are welcome to partake in the communal councils, but political participation is not mandated. There is no private property, but rather “ownership by use, which grants individuals usage rights to the buildings, land, and infrastructure, but not the right to sell and buy on the market or convert them private enterprises.” The economy is in the hands of the communal councils, and is thus (in the words of Bookchin) ‘neither collectivised nor privatised, it is common.’ Feminism, ecology and direct democracy are essential in democratic confederalism.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_%C3%96calan#Democrati...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by ahbyb »

oldmanthrowit wrote: post #71
overkalix wrote: post #67

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Catalan here (and not exactly rich). I think OP's comment was completely out of place, but trying to disregard the independence movement as rich guys entitlement is a an extremely distorted representation of the political reality of Catalonia.

I live in Türkiye. You're just entitled westerners with 2 steaks complaining you don't have a potatoe.

They also have the potato, their complaint is about having to share it with poorer people. :P

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by yalph »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #90
OzzyB wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more shocked at comments like yours that get echoed and promoted without any context whatsoever, but then again "Anti-Turkishism" is a thing. What I'm shocked about is how a so called ally can side and arm a vowed terrorist group for years and expect there to be no fallout, but then "Pro-Kurdishism" is a thing. I do love however the narrative that the Kurds are this angelic force that helped us when no other woul…

First of all, not all Kurds = PKK (the terrorist organization you are referencing) and not all arms of the PKK commit acts of terrorism. Second, the atrocities committed by Turkey are on the same scale as terrorism, the difference is only in the semantics. Look at the human rights violations and civilian casualties committed by both the PKK and Turkey here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish%E2%80%93Turkish_confli…

Whatever happened to Kurds in the past in Iraq, Iran etc is not Turkeys problem. Put yourself in the situation. You have a terrorist group that is killing your citizens for 35 fucking years. You are hosting 5 million Syrian refugees in your country. What do you do? What would the US do? I know what is happening right now is not the ideal solution but it is very hard to blame Erdogan.

Also, I can assure you that Kurds in Turkey is treated much much much better that African Americans and Native Americans in the US. So what does this say about the US?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by m00dy »

NoGravitas wrote: post #94
m00dy wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh really ? How about political view of PKK/YPG ? Do you think they embrace western values as well ? They are Marxist–Leninist Communist.

Not exactly. I'm not going to go too much into the distinction between the PKK and the YPG, but they are not the same organization. The correction I want to make is to note that the official ideology of the YPG is [Democratic Confederalism][0]. It is a form of libertarian socialism, strongly influenced by the ideas of Murray Bookchin. A brief quote from the Wikipedia article: Democratic confederalism is a "system of…

"There is no private property, " looks like very American to me.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by sohex »

m00dy wrote: post #87
TheArcane wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having strong equality between man/women shouldn't be the only parameter when you are picking up your allies It does become a lot easier for them to qualify as allies if they share core western values

Oh really ? How about political view of PKK/YPG ? Do you think they embrace western values as well ? They are Marxist–Leninist Communist.

No, they aren't. They're fundamentally democratic confederalists, which is a leftist tendency, but distinctly different from Marxist-Leninism. There are some Marxist-Leninists among the PKK and YPG, but that's not the core ideology of either group. Furthermore the PKK and the YPG are not synonymous groups and viewing them as such is not an accepted position anywhere that isn't inundated with Turkish propaganda.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by _xnmw »

primroot wrote: post #89
_xnmw wrote: post #79

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> 2. It's a military invasion. The precedent of Operation Olive Branch indicates that calling this an "effort to stabilize" is an abuse of semantics. Then what was America doing there?

I don't see your point. If I say a military invasion is not semantically equivalent to an "effort to stabilize," I leave open the possibility that some invasions do have a stabilizing effect, but that is never something evident but something that has to be argued for. I don't feel like digressing into drawing Venn Diagrams.

Fair enough, but I would argue that a military operation conducted by a neighbouring country dealing with the fallout of war (Turkey) is more justified and possibly stabilizing than any American or Russian incursion. Turkey has more of an incentive to "stabilize" its direct borders than America has in that region. What is America's interest in that region anyway?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by NoGravitas »

m00dy wrote: post #97
NoGravitas wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly. I'm not going to go too much into the distinction between the PKK and the YPG, but they are not the same organization. The correction I want to make is to note that the official ideology of the YPG is [Democratic Confederalism][0]. It is a form of libertarian socialism, strongly influenced by the ideas of Murray Bookchin. A brief quote from the Wikipedia article: Democratic confederalism is a "system of…

"There is no private property, " looks like very American to me.

As I went walking I saw a sign there, And on the sign it said "No Trespassing." But on the other side it didn't say nothing. That side was made for you and me.

In the shadow of the steeple I saw my people, By the relief office I seen my people; As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking Is this land made for you and me?

Nobody living can ever stop me, As I go walking that freedom highway; Nobody living can ever make me turn back This land was made for you and me.

-- Woody Guthrie

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