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Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by luckylion »

olah_1 wrote: post #33
Funes- wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't the authorities just keep blocking instances (i. e., servers)? I may be wrong, but I don't think a federated platform is censorship-resistant in any meaningful way.

I suppose so... I really don't know. How do they find them when they're just over regular HTTP? Seems like it would be easier to find p2p traffic. But I don't know.

If each instance is only used by a small number of users, it might not easily be identified, since the exchange of the platforms wouldn't be visible to Turkey's censors.

I don't think this really helps as a means of suppressing information. Unless you block everything, the information will get out and once it's out of the region, you no longer have control. I believe it's mostly about soldiers carrying their cellphones around, posting on facebook when they are idle etc, and you don't want troop movements and staging grounds to be quite that public. "Hey guys, please no Facebook" doesn't work at a large scale, blocking those sites is much easier.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by phy6 »

everlastingfan wrote: post #39
debt wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way is mesh. It’s the only way to permanently stop it.

Sneakernet mesh. RF can be triangulated and blocked.

Voice Over Vocal Chords as a new NFC RFC.

But seriously, your comment makes me want to find an article on how the Chinese have been thwarting bluetooth mesh chat in HK protests.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by debt »

everlastingfan wrote: post #39
debt wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way is mesh. It’s the only way to permanently stop it.

Sneakernet mesh. RF can be triangulated and blocked.

Sneakernet is the most future-proof solution. It's impossible to stop by design. It can be discouraged with arrest, but not stopped completely.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by grenoire »

Diederich wrote: post #43

Echoing another comment: does anyone here know how this block is implemented? Is it a DNS block?

Turkey used to implement DNS blocks but these days (because people learned to quickly circumvent DNS blocks by Google or OpenDNS) they straight up don't route the IPs.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by hello_moto »

I lived in a country that recently had an election and while you may think that this is "evil" (judging from the public sentiment of Erdogan and his rezime), I have to say that Social Media is very very ugly pre-Election and during Election (even post-election).

So much propaganda from _BOTH_ sides. Even what perceived to be the "good" side also had their own dirty Social Media move.

What makes it even worse is that Social Media recommendation engine tend to create some sort of Bubble so you will see propaganda that you've already subscribed to and your counter-part will see propaganda that they subscribed to.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by AFascistWorld »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19
enriquto wrote: post #12

everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.

> there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Nation building is hard. Instilling modern democratic values is hard. Those fights are worth fighting. But Hong Kong is low-hanging fruit. (There is also loss aversion, Hong Kong slipping backwards feels worse than Ecuador remaining Ecuador.)

Hong Kong is important coz it's a business and financial center, people around the world care about their money, and the lingering hope of American political designs on China.

https://www.heritage.org/report/the-collapse-clintons-china-...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by wybiral »

Funes- wrote: post #28

What about a distributed P2P platform like Aether[0]? Would that be blockable by any given state or authority? [0]: https://getaether.net

They can block sites that serve the download and they can block any seed nodes that link to hosts in the p2p network.

Tor is blocked in similar ways, which is why we have the battle of maintaining a constant supply of bridge nodes and using obfuscation techniques like ShadowSOCKS and VMess.

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