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Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

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Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

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post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I think it's a fact¹ that a large majority of "science" stories that go viral turn out to be wrong. So the rational approach to them is "what might be wrong with this one?". ¹ Citation Missing

from my experience, when science stories that go viral turn out to be wrong it's some secondhand reporting by people misunderstanding or misrepresenting the actual firsthand report

The replication crisis says otherwise.

Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

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post #93

Related: "much of the decline in crime in the 1990s may have been due to the reduction of childhood lead exposure after the removal of lead from gasoline and house paint." http://freakonomics.com/2007/07/09/lead-and-crime/

And other big part was legalized abortion.

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion/

Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

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post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from my experience, when science stories that go viral turn out to be wrong it's some secondhand reporting by people misunderstanding or misrepresenting the actual firsthand report

The replication crisis says otherwise.

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Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

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post #99

It's such a typical kneejerk "skeptical" reaction at this point to be like "oh well maybe correlation doesn't imply causation" as if there are no causal relationships ever in life itself. But really if the rationalists just took a few seconds to think about it maybe they'd find a some plausibility in the notion that exposure to harmful pollution could trigger a stress response; stress is intimately wrapped up with ag…

you literally just jumped to imputing a mechanism to back-support epidemiological data; I recommend not doing that.

What I did is propose a plausible hypothesis for further research.

Theory and speculation have a place in science.

Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

#105
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I think it's a fact¹ that a large majority of "science" stories that go viral turn out to be wrong. So the rational approach to them is "what might be wrong with this one?". ¹ Citation Missing

from my experience, when science stories that go viral turn out to be wrong it's some secondhand reporting by people misunderstanding or misrepresenting the actual firsthand report

That's definitely also a factor.

Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

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For all those commenting on 'aren't more polluted areas just more criminal due to other factors", as far as I can tell the researchers examined crime rates for the same place and find correlation with whether there was more Ozone and PM 2,5 on a particular day or not. So they are not comparing clean air neighborhoods to highly polluted neighborhoods, but the same neighborhood on different days. https://www.sciencedai…

So wouldn't the correlation be that that day is just busier?

Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

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post #68

It just doesn’t make sense intuitively to me. This feels more like an example to show correlation does not equal causation. So what if the violent crime is higher in highly polluted areas? How is that information useful for anything?

I'm not a biologist or any sort of doctor so this is just sort of a hot take stab in the dark. But here's my go.

It's all about oxygen.

If it's harder to breathe, less oxygen is getting to your brain, and that's never good. While it may not be life-threatening or anything, it might make you more irritable. Just constantly slightly fatigued and cranky. It takes less to set you off.

Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

#109
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I think it's a fact¹ that a large majority of "science" stories that go viral turn out to be wrong. So the rational approach to them is "what might be wrong with this one?". ¹ Citation Missing

from my experience, when science stories that go viral turn out to be wrong it's some secondhand reporting by people misunderstanding or misrepresenting the actual firsthand report

I tend to agree, and this article is no different. Articles often report the underlying research in misleading ways.

Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime

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post #82

For all those commenting on 'aren't more polluted areas just more criminal due to other factors", as far as I can tell the researchers examined crime rates for the same place and find correlation with whether there was more Ozone and PM 2,5 on a particular day or not. So they are not comparing clean air neighborhoods to highly polluted neighborhoods, but the same neighborhood on different days. https://www.sciencedai…

Well yeah, but they have to remove all the other factors like heat, wind and rain, which are correlated to air pollution. There is likely less violent crimes on rainy days, just because more people stay home. To do this properly, they would have to do a controlled experiment with people in rooms with or without air pollution. And measure how sanguine they get or something of that nature.

And as someone living in Chicago or any similar metro area with strong seasonal weather can tell you, there are far higher crime rates in the summer than in the winter. Young people have more down time in the summer and people are outside and get restless in the heat. People stay inside in the cold winter and keep to themselves more.
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