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As an American citizen, you should run a Chinese iPhone so YOUR messages go to a hostile foreign government.
As a Chinese citizen, you should run an American iPhone so YOUR messages go to a hostile foreign government.
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My first question is whether the "Hong Kong Cybersecurity and Technology Crime Bureau" is a reliable source of information under the current circumstances. I haven't been reading all the news about the Hong Kong protests, but what I have been reading suggests that China is applying an enormous amount of pressure to halt the protests, or reduce the international visibility of what is happening in Hong Kong. It doesn't…
Cook's memo says that the reports, from the bureau as well as from the app's users, are "credible." That at least implies that Apple evaluated the credibility of the claims. I do understand that some people (like Gruber) might want Apple to provide material evidence, but is that really Apple's responsibility or usual behavior? It would seem extremely odd (and not at all comforting) to me if Apple, for example, releas…
The Hong Kong police force is not a credible source of information, given that it is the chief antagonist in the Hong Kong protests, and that a core demand of the millions demonstrating is an independent investigation of its conduct.
Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements. Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths? And why should the US government be satisfied with a fully encrypted iMessage given that Apple will cave to d…
The US isn't a closed market and can't effectively eject Apple from the market. While I disagree with the choice Apple made, it's a very rational one. Permanent removal from China would probably be worse for freedom in China over 20 years, and massively worse for Apple in the short term. No company should be expected to back or foment a revolution somewhere, from my perspective they're looking out for their own beet…
Huh?
> No company should be expected to back or foment a revolution somewhere, from my perspective they're looking out for their own beet interest and the best interest of their customers.
Profit is not an adequate moral compass. I deeply disagree that by forming a corporation, individuals who would otherwise have ethical obligations are somehow no longer obligated to behave ethically. You're literally claiming that it's okay to enable the violation of human rights for profit.
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And the people who purchase apple products. They gave Apple this level of control in the first place.
Oh, get off your high horse. Which devices are you using from a company that isn’t similarly large and doesn’t do the same thing?
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If Apple capitulates to every demand the Chinese government makes then perhaps there isn’t much of a difference.
Right. But of course the Chinese government has asked Apple for a backdoor, and (to our knowledge) Apple has not provided that. So long as that's true, an iPhone really is one of the most secure option for Chinese residents.
This is really the key phrase here. What we know for sure is: Google and Facebook services do not work in China while Apple and Microsoft's do.
Are there people working on an open source web app version of this app? I'd love to see if I could involved at some level.
It's a website already, try https://hkmap.live Which is why I don't understand the outcry coming from what Apple is doing here.
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If I travel to China does that mean my iCloud data will sync to Chinese iCloud?
No, it is based on the account itself. There is no sync between the two sets of servers so that wouldn't work for them to base it on the physical location of the device.
Apple has been kind of marginal quality wise for awhile, mostly being better than the alternative because the alternative is garbage. But their handling of this makes much of what they say suspect.
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Even if the alleged crimes allegedly abused the app (something certainly not endorsed by the app makers), the same can be said for a lot of other apps. Thieves use facebook to look for people who give details on when they are on vacation for example. Snapchat and Skype and kik and whatapp and every other social messaging and social media app and service is abused by pedo criminals grooming their victims. etc But thos…
This app specifically lists where the police are. That is its primary purpose. Comparing it to Facebook or Snapchat makes absolutely no sense.