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Apple customers aren't victims of apples policies (and now the CCP), they're collaborators.
It works for me as a share-holder. Apple's iPhone 11 is again popular in China and there are even reports of Apple increasing the 11's production to meet the high demand. Apple should not be doing anything to mess with the Chinese consumers and the Chinese government as China is a very difficult growth market to crack into. I believe that Tim Cook has done a great job of appeasing China and at the same time has worke…
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> Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths? At least in China, you can probably assume iMessage is back-doored given that iCloud content in mainland China is operated by a Chinese internet company. Apple quietly posted this last week on their support page: "iCloud services in China mainland are now operated by Ch…
Actually we can't assume that at all. It seems I'm going to have to repost this comment a thousand times https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20904857 >Apple has already publicly said in court filings, and under threat of perjury, that they don't make any exceptions for China. From Apple's filing [1]: >Finally, the government attempts to disclaim the obvious international implications of its demand, asserting that an…
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> Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths? At least in China, you can probably assume iMessage is back-doored given that iCloud content in mainland China is operated by a Chinese internet company. Apple quietly posted this last week on their support page: "iCloud services in China mainland are now operated by Ch…
Actually we can't assume that at all. It seems I'm going to have to repost this comment a thousand times https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20904857 >Apple has already publicly said in court filings, and under threat of perjury, that they don't make any exceptions for China. From Apple's filing [1]: >Finally, the government attempts to disclaim the obvious international implications of its demand, asserting that an…
Also note your documents are from 2016, these events mostly started in 2017.
It's already known that iCloud in China is operated by a state-owned telecom (GCBD) see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21217920 so they could use the data to track the protestors. And iPhone usages is comparatively small according to https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/china (Android 79% and iPhone 20%) Then https://hkmap.live/ is available as a website. So why the outcry about this? In the end, f…
You’re absolutely right and for the vast majority of companies put in this position I wouldn’t be happy about their decision but I definitely wouldn’t hold it against them. That said, if ever there were a company in the history of the world whose users are rabidly loyal enough, whose economic contributions in China are substantial enough, and with the “Fuck You Money” necessary to do what’s right when it comes to China, it’s Apple.
And when you consider that Apple launched themselves into America’s living rooms with the “1984” commercial, I might even go so far as to say that Apple could have leaned in to whatever negative consequences they may have suffered as a result.
hacker news admins should investigate the downvote patterns on articles critical of china ...there seems to be a very strong downward pressure on articles critical of china — so much that i suspect there may be a down vote ring..
Dang explained yesterday [1] that there is a "common news item" penalty to stories to avoid very hot topics from dominating the front page, but that they have removed this restrictions from some articles. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21211124
China-related stories are anything but suppressed here—it has been the most-discussed single theme of the last week, and one of the most of the last several months. See these #1 stories from the last few days:
https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2019-10-07
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> Permanent removal from China would probably be worse for freedom in China over 20 years, I'm curious about how you came to this conclusion.
For one thing, pretty much every Android device made for the Chinese market has had its OS adulterated in some way, at OEM build time, at the behest of the Chinese government. Whereas, Chinese resellers can't really adulterate an iPhone's OS; there's just the one OS image (per model), signed and sealed by Apple, and if China wants to put a rootkit on it, they'd have to convince Apple to put it into that same base-ima…
So Apple has made it clear that if China wants something, the tech details won't matter. "Oh, I'm sorry, we don't have that information to give you." "Well, start keeping it from now on, but don't tell them, because telling them would offend us, and you don't want that...."
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Actually we can't assume that at all. It seems I'm going to have to repost this comment a thousand times https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20904857 >Apple has already publicly said in court filings, and under threat of perjury, that they don't make any exceptions for China. From Apple's filing [1]: >Finally, the government attempts to disclaim the obvious international implications of its demand, asserting that an…
Apple itself states that it cannot access data in China without permission from the contracting company. Why would the Chinese government ask apple for data it can't provide, but a Chinese company could? Also note your documents are from 2016, these events mostly started in 2017.