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first search result that I found: https://www.cheatsheet.com/technology/apple/is-apple-lying-a... (didn't read it though, but they lied about being part of PRISM)
Do you mean, being a victim of prism? When tech companies found out about the NSA wiretapping unencrypted connections between their datacenters they pretty much flipped out and got serious about security against nation-state attacks.
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#132In the last week, HK police vehicles have been singled out, ambushed, officers mobbed and attacked with molotov cocktails. Rioters are shot in self protection. Mainland owned stores are targeted when police are not near. All aided by this app that is facilitating extreme violence on the ground. Of course this doesn't add up to western main stream media news readers who were presented with one-sided peaceful protest n…
>If China had an app that allowed US alt-right or antifa to target PoC/whatever antifa equivalent owned stores and attack the police, it would be pulled in a heart beat. If you’re going to end with this sort of false equivalence, it kind of colors the rest of your argument and makes me wonder if you are being disingenuous here. I further note that you make a lot of assertions with no facts to substantiate them, and r…
>If you’re going to end with this sort of false equivalence, it kind of colors the rest of your argument and makes me wonder if you are being disingenuous here.
The closest analogy to HK protestors are alt-right, they match all the hallmarks: disenfranchised, social media savvy, economically anxious youth who see their culture being displaced and their privileged being eroded by immigrant mainlanders. Rich ones come in to buy all the property, poor ones use up all the social services. These are common complaints to the mainland locust narrative - when the mainland sends their people, they're not sending their best.
[1] https://www.scmp.com/article/991355/anger-mainland-visitors-...
A row between Hongkongers and mainlanders is reaching boiling point after internet users raised more than HK$100,000 in less than a week to finance a full-page 'anti-locust' advertisement in a Chinese-language newspaper in the city.
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Mainlanders have already crossed our bottom line,' said Yung Jhon, who refused to disclose his real name. 'Why are mainland mothers flooding in to take up resources in public hospitals, getting our benefits and social welfare? Why do mainlanders ... refuse to follow our rules and order? We can't accept that.
Sounds familiar?
30 years ago, common HKer could get a low-skill industry or service job and make a comfortable living based off mainland exploitation. Then China's manufacturing growth made HK Detroit. After handover, 1 million mainland immigrants entered HK on one-way permits under family reunification plan in the last 10 years. That's 15% of the city. This culture clash is the same script causing right wing nationalism everywhere in western liberal countries. But because it's HK, and the sufferage angle plays well to western MSM, people close their eyes, pretend HK is some woke utopia, and that all those Pepes memes are innocent, because English proficient HKers who use western internet are somehow just like us in the west but also that naive.
>I further note that you make a lot of assertions with no facts to substantiate them, and refer to news reports on Hong Kong as propaganda, so perhaps I don’t need to wonder anymore.
Propaganda via omission. How long did it take for western news media to finally acknowledge the frequent violence happening on the ground? The racially motivated on mainland citizens and mainland connected businesses. The doxxing of police families. Why don't you do some research yourself. The fact that people here, beneficiaries of a free 5th estate somehow reliably have their opinions shaped to reflect US foreign policy positions is... interesting. It's Manufacturing Consent, Iraq WMDs all over again.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, the complaint is not that Cook is not providing direct evidence, and it is a complete misrepresentation to suggest so. It makes your protestations of disinterest rather suspect, as those of supposed "devil's advocates" so often seem to be. The complaint is that Cook's claims are extraordinary and seemingly impossible on their face because of the fundamental nature of the app in question. Its purpose is to show th…
I don't understand why people would flag comments as 'suspect', have we reached McCarthyism or the hyper sensitive Chinese level yet? Why is it impossible for people to address the opinions and reasons within a comment specifically without resorting to 'suspecting the motives of the individual'? In other words, why does the motives of the individual matters to you if the opinion expressed within the comments can stan…
Whereas the article says: "The first allegation is that “the app was being used maliciously to target individual officers for violence”. This makes no sense at all. The app does not show the locations of individual officers at all. It shows general concentrations of police units, with a significant lag. As the developer and @charlesmok, a Hong Kong legislator, have pointed out, the app aggregates reports from Telegram, Facebook and other sources. It beggars belief that a campaign to target individual officers would use a world-readable crowdsourcing format like this."
It could be incompetence, but it seems much more like clear disingenuousness, which is a pretty common thing nowadays.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#134In the last week, HK police vehicles have been singled out, ambushed, officers mobbed and attacked with molotov cocktails. Rioters are shot in self protection. Mainland owned stores are targeted when police are not near. All aided by this app that is facilitating extreme violence on the ground. Of course this doesn't add up to western main stream media news readers who were presented with one-sided peaceful protest n…
Hey mate, meta comment, sorry to not be responding directly to the content of your comment. I noticed that your post history is almost entirely pro-China posts on the more political submissions here. It could be seen like you’re participating on HN for a political or ideological reason, which really isn’t what this site is about. I’m not trying to call you a shill or anything, just wanted to point out that there migh…
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#135Apple's supply chain is China-based. If Apple doesn't pull app, then China's leadership probably shuts down that supply chain. China's leadership doesn't give a damn about Apple or Foxcomm or even the NBA. It's probably a real blow to Tim Cook since he is famous for setting up such an amazing supply chain. He put Apple in such a dangerous position. He caved and made up an excuse.
If it can happen to Apple it can happen to anyone.
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#136Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements. Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths? And why should the US government be satisfied with a fully encrypted iMessage given that Apple will cave to d…
> Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements. I was thinking about the complexity of the world the other day, and how so many people hold diametrically opposed beliefs, but often based on solid reasoning and genuine facts. How could this be? If you think about it, the modern world is so complex, with…
If you don't already watch it, you may really enjoy "The Good Place". (Any additional elaboration would be a spoiler.)
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
This app specifically lists where the police are. That is its primary purpose. Comparing it to Facebook or Snapchat makes absolutely no sense.
> This app specifically lists where the police are. Since when is that a crime? When news reporters cover a protest in US and show live where the police is, are they committing a crime?
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This app specifically lists where the police are. Since when is that a crime? When news reporters cover a protest in US and show live where the police is, are they committing a crime?
It’s a crime if it’s being used to physically attack the cop.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if the alleged crimes allegedly abused the app (something certainly not endorsed by the app makers), the same can be said for a lot of other apps. Thieves use facebook to look for people who give details on when they are on vacation for example. Snapchat and Skype and kik and whatapp and every other social messaging and social media app and service is abused by pedo criminals grooming their victims. etc But thos…
This app specifically lists where the police are. That is its primary purpose. Comparing it to Facebook or Snapchat makes absolutely no sense.
Perhaps avoiding police is the primary use case of the app.
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#140Apple lied about being in bed with the NSA, too... I don't know why anyone consider Apple much better then Google when it comes to privacy...
Specifically, did Apple/Google/etc actively cooperate with the NSA (outside of court ordered warrants), or did the NSA break in, or did the NSA have agents within the companies.
If anyone knows differently and has a source the community would be very interested to hear about this.