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Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
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Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#122In the last week, HK police vehicles have been singled out, ambushed, officers mobbed and attacked with molotov cocktails. Rioters are shot in self protection. Mainland owned stores are targeted when police are not near. All aided by this app that is facilitating extreme violence on the ground. Of course this doesn't add up to western main stream media news readers who were presented with one-sided peaceful protest n…
>If China had an app that allowed US alt-right or antifa to target PoC/whatever antifa equivalent owned stores and attack the police, it would be pulled in a heart beat.
If you’re going to end with this sort of false equivalence, it kind of colors the rest of your argument and makes me wonder if you are being disingenuous here. I further note that you make a lot of assertions with no facts to substantiate them, and refer to news reports on Hong Kong as propaganda, so perhaps I don’t need to wonder anymore.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#123Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements. Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths? And why should the US government be satisfied with a fully encrypted iMessage given that Apple will cave to d…
> Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements.
I was thinking about the complexity of the world the other day, and how so many people hold diametrically opposed beliefs, but often based on solid reasoning and genuine facts. How could this be?
If you think about it, the modern world is so complex, with so many facts (some of which are actual facts, some of which are popular opinions now considered to be fact), with all of the inter-connected, Nth order cause and effect going on, how is a person who wants to be as objective as possible supposed to actually come up with a reasonable model of what's going on, even if they're willing to put in the work? People skilled in communications and the psychology of persuasion can pick and choose a subset of "facts" and put together plausible and completely contradictory descriptions of the very same story, and done correctly it's very difficult even for the vigilant to know you're being duped. So what's a person to do?
What I came up with is the idea that yes, one should indeed take "facts" into consideration, including some sort of notion of trustworthiness for each fact, but what's missing is the value of lies in coming up with one's model of reality. So, when trying to figure out what the real deal is on any given situation, don't first look for the facts, but rather the obvious lies - if you can find obvious lies or misrepresentations of reality coming from powerful (politicians or corporate leaders) or influential people (the media), this is probably a good trail to follow to lead you toward the most important parts of the truth. Of course, there's lots of complexity involved here as well, you have to consider the nature of the bias from the messenger, compare versions of the lie across different outlets, etc etc etc, but in many cases I suspect this is a highly productive approach for maximizing the correctness of one's models.
So in this case, as the article points out, "However, over the past several days we received credible information....that the app was being used maliciously to target individual officers for violence". Obviously a lie, although in this case, considering Tim Cook's no dummy I expect he knew everyone would know he's lying, so I wouldn't form any specific conclusions on this, other than money >>> honesty and principles for him, but why should we expect more from him than any other important person in Western society....this is just how we are. Despite the wonderful sounding platitudes we tell ourselves, this is our culture. And the Achilles heel that I believe China will be able to continue to exploit indefinitely, because I simply can't see it ever changing, it has become so normalized that hardly anyone can even recognize it anymore.
EDIT: Thinking more, with this being so obvious once you're aware of it, I can't imagine this is a unique theory I've come up with. Does anyone know a name for this style of thinking?
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dang explained yesterday [1] that there is a "common news item" penalty to stories to avoid very hot topics from dominating the front page, but that they have removed this restrictions from some articles. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21211124
I don't have time to dig up specific links at the moment, but if you look through https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=dang , you'll see that I've written about this extensively in the last few days. China-related stories are anything but suppressed here—it has been the most-discussed single theme of the last week, and one of the most of the last several months. See these #1 stories from the last few days: https://n…
got it. thanks for the response.
Just worried that HN could be a target for concerted manipulation just like facebook/reddit/twitter
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Even if the alleged crimes allegedly abused the app (something certainly not endorsed by the app makers), the same can be said for a lot of other apps. Thieves use facebook to look for people who give details on when they are on vacation for example. Snapchat and Skype and kik and whatapp and every other social messaging and social media app and service is abused by pedo criminals grooming their victims. etc But thos…
This app specifically lists where the police are. That is its primary purpose. Comparing it to Facebook or Snapchat makes absolutely no sense.
> This app specifically lists where the police are.
Since when is that a crime?
When news reporters cover a protest in US and show live where the police is, are they committing a crime?
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can you give a source?
first search result that I found: https://www.cheatsheet.com/technology/apple/is-apple-lying-a... (didn't read it though, but they lied about being part of PRISM)
Do you mean, being a victim of prism? When tech companies found out about the NSA wiretapping unencrypted connections between their datacenters they pretty much flipped out and got serious about security against nation-state attacks.
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#127In the last week, HK police vehicles have been singled out, ambushed, officers mobbed and attacked with molotov cocktails. Rioters are shot in self protection. Mainland owned stores are targeted when police are not near. All aided by this app that is facilitating extreme violence on the ground. Of course this doesn't add up to western main stream media news readers who were presented with one-sided peaceful protest n…
This is all completely normal for a revolution in a region that wants to be independent. It's about time everyone recognized that that's what it is all about. Or did you truly believe that Hong Kong and everyone in it were okay ceasing to have freedom in 2047?
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#128Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements. Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths? And why should the US government be satisfied with a fully encrypted iMessage given that Apple will cave to d…
I agree that Apple's stated rationale for removing the HKmap.live app is embarrassing and the removal is a capitulation to China's government. The reasons China's government has decried the app are bogus, but those false reports and allegations do not originate with Apple. However, Apple appears to be accepting those reasons at face value and probably because Apple is kowtowing. Regarding whether iMessage is free fro…
So you are saying that an organization that supports false accusations by others, but is not known to originate them, should be given the benefit of the doubt about assertions they originate.
Here is another model: an organization that supports falsehoods to placate someone powerful in a small matter, like hosting an app, can be trusted to placate the powerful in a more important matter.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#129In the last week, HK police vehicles have been singled out, ambushed, officers mobbed and attacked with molotov cocktails. Rioters are shot in self protection. Mainland owned stores are targeted when police are not near. All aided by this app that is facilitating extreme violence on the ground. Of course this doesn't add up to western main stream media news readers who were presented with one-sided peaceful protest n…
Hey mate, meta comment, sorry to not be responding directly to the content of your comment. I noticed that your post history is almost entirely pro-China posts on the more political submissions here. It could be seen like you’re participating on HN for a political or ideological reason, which really isn’t what this site is about. I’m not trying to call you a shill or anything, just wanted to point out that there might be other forums better designed for political discussion.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you look at "E. Access to Your Account and Content" section in the Chinese iCloud T&C [1], it seems like there is an extra clause there not present in the same section in the US T&C [2]. "...You understand and agree that Apple and GCBD will have access to all data that you store on this service, including the right to share, exchange and disclose all user data, including Content, to and between each other under ap…
Apple has said in statements to the press, as well as Tim Cook's interview with Vice, that they retain the keys and that they haven't been made available to GCBD. >Originally, iCloud data was stored on Apple-controlled servers, with the Cupertino company holding the encryption keys. Apple announced a year ago that this would change to comply with new laws in China, and that data for Chinese iCloud accounts would be m…
Where did Tim Cook specifically say that?
Because in the vice interview you keep citing he specifically dances around answering that question.
The servers were nationalized and the TOS agreement was changed since that 9-to-5 article came out.
Maybe Apple isn't giving access, but forcing the users to move to data centers which are later nationalized, and Then forcing users to agree to give access to that same state-owned company doesn't sound like they are restricting access anymore.