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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by mr_toad »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #334
s_dev wrote: post #324

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>And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. Make the app a Web App and visit it in Safari. Apple has banned it being notarized and distributed from their App Store but iPhones still have access to the conventional web which Apple has no control over.

Apple has been (I suspect purposefully!) dragging their feet on progressive web app support. There list of limitations is long, but most critically for this app (I would imagine), they can't send notifications and they can't work offline.

You don’t need progressive web apps to display markers on a map.

And anyway, a PWA should be actually progressive. If it requires all the features it’s the opposite of progressive.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by amatecha »

computerex wrote: post #830
amatecha wrote: post #715

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That's funny: "Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android" You don't hear about 14 million iPhones being infected by malware[0], do you? Or malware stealing users' bank credentials[1]? Heck, there are people whose brand new phone comes pre-loaded with malware[2]. Oh, this one was just posted five hours ago -- applications on the Google Play store load with trojans and spyware[3]. I can keep going, but the…

What an incredibly weak argument. Android absolutely destroys iOS in market share, it's not even a comparison. That's why it's targeted by malware writers. That doesn't mean it's any less secure than iOS. You have to try very hard to infect your phone. I'd pick being able to run whatever I want over Apples choice of apps any day.

Popularity == better? OK :)

"Try very hard" == be on a wifi network, or download an app that appears to be completely legit from the vendor's own digital distribution platform? OK :)

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

saagarjha wrote: post #829
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #819

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I expect that won't happen. Maybe as a proof of concept, but not as something anyone would ever want to use daily. Documentation on iPhone hardware is basically nonexistent. Someone would need to reverse engineer it all and write drivers from scratch.

It’s happened before, though of course it’d be much harder today. Interestingly, it seems like Apple keeps around a Linux devicetree for their processors, so it’s certainly not impossible…

It never got past the proof of concept stage last time. And that was when there was more interest in Jailbreaking than there is today.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by bduerst »

travisp wrote: post #859
bduerst wrote: post #813

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Nothing in that quote backs up your statement. Tim Cook is describing how encryption works - he is not saying that the Chinese government doesn't have access to the data at rest with the iCloud encryption keys. Amnesty International [1] sums it up: >“By handing over its China iCloud service to a local company without sufficient safeguards, the Chinese authorities now have potentially unfettered access to all Apple’s…

I agree there are reasons to be concerned overall, but Tim Cook is very clearly stating in this interview, which happened after the nationalization, that 1) China doesn’t have access to the encryption keys themselves and 2) for much of the data (like messages) not even Apple has the keys, 3) China is not able to access the data any more easily than any other country. If you are targeted by the CCP, then yes, they can…

Where does Tim Cook specifically say that? What you quoted does not support that.

The encryption keys are for iCloud backups at rest, for which a copy of the keys are stored serverside. This can decrypt all iCloud data, including messages, pics, videos, documents, etc. Tim only described E2E message encryption between users, not encrypted iCloud backups.

Again, Tim isn't saying what you think he's saying. He's intentionally not answering that question or misdirecting - he's doing it all over again here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21218529

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

babypuncher wrote: post #851
skykooler wrote: post #787

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So where's the "professional" phone OS? It seems to me that if you want to stay in the Apple ecosystem you're stuck with iOS whether you know what you're doing or not.

Apple still provides a means for "professionals" to sign and run their own code on iOS devices, it just requires jumping through a few hoops. Pay a one-time $100 fee and you don't have to deal with re-signing your app every seven days. This is enough of a barrier to entry that I think it solves the "dancing bunnies" problem without making it impossible to run what I want. I do fully understand why some people think t…

> Pay a one-time $100 fee and you don't have to deal with re-signing your app every seven days.

Fwiw, it’s not one-time. It’s $100 every single year.

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Post by eyelidlessness »

song wrote: post #164
_pmf_ wrote: post #158

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> Should you now remove Safari because it allows you to access data that would potentially help with criminal intent? Worked for gab.

For a site like Gab, I always wondered if having a massive amount of users posting messages making fun of the alt right movement, painting neo nazies like the idiots they are and criticizing the site user base wouldn't have been a better way than outright censorship. It would have really tested the supposedly pro free speech stance of that site. I mean I'm being a bit tongue in cheek there but I'm really not sure if…

For the most part the far right doesn't engage in good faith. They're not just operating from a different set of opinions, they target people based on who they are for violence and ultimately their elimination. They are not a political movement, they're a death cult.

It's not unheard of to de-radicalize some in the far right, but it's incredibly difficult work that takes a special familiarity and skillset.

Bang for buck, deplatforming is far more effective. It's hard for them to build their movement when they can't easily access vulnerable minds.

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Post by rmtech »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #297

And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

And that's why you should never buy Apple.

It's not your iphone/ipad/Macbook, it's Tim's iphone/ipad/Macbook that he deigns to let you use, but only at his pleasure and only to do what he thinks is OK.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by lolsal »

computerex wrote: post #824
lolsal wrote: post #728

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> When I buy a phone, it's a hardware product I'm buying. Not to me.

What does that even mean? Can you elaborate at all?

I honestly don't care about the hardware at all. The hardware/camera/storage/whatever has been good enough for years. I care about the customer support, service, and overall UX of using the device. The fact that I can't side load apks or ipas is a feature to me.

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Post by lolsal »

gatherhunterer wrote: post #832
lolsal wrote: post #728

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> When I buy a phone, it's a hardware product I'm buying. Not to me.

This is where the comment goes into “my opinion is fact and dissenting opinions are wrong.” There are millions of Apple customers who get their preferred OS by buying hardware directly from the OS developer. This has been a viable business model for Apple for long enough to just laugh at that sentence. Hating Apple is an identity, like a political party, and some are too invested for their ego to allow for simple fac…

I'm not sure I follow you. I was just providing a data point that says some people don't care about the hardware - just like how I buy a car, I don't really care about the details and being able to 'drop in' a replacement HVAC or 'add on' features like neon lights/headers/whatever because those features are not important to me.
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