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Post by redwall_hp »

sergioj97 wrote: post #593
WillPostForFood wrote: post #456

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USA Canada Mexico Guatemala Belize Honduras El Salvador Nicaragua Costa Rica Panama Bahamas Cuba Jamaica Haiti Dominican Rep. St. Kits and Nevis Antigua and Barbuda Dominica Saint Lucia Barbados St. Vincent and the Grenadines Grenada Trinidad and Tobago

I think some of those countries are usually referred to as Central America. From Wikipedia's article on Central America: "Central America consists of seven countries: Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and Panama."

Central America isn't a continent. It's a political designation that simply exists for Americans to "other" neighbors. (When not meddling in their politics.)

Greenland is also part of NA.

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Post by zahrc »

cr0sh wrote: post #582
zahrc wrote: post #532

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How many tech parts, phones, and whatnot are “made in China”? How many of these companies are owned by the government? Basically by buying whatever you are shoving money in to this regime. No matter what and where you buy. Also what about huawei?

> Basically by buying whatever you are shoving money in to this regime. No matter what and where you buy. Your other option is...what? You can't buy anything electronic anymore solely "Made in America"; that is, where all the parts, design, assembly, casing, etc - are all done here. Outside of maybe a few select items (and probably certain military stuff - but that isn't available to consumers anyhow) - it just doesn…

I was commenting to the parent comment which suggested to buy android phones instead of iPhones to tackle that problem, which is not going to solve anything. As you’ve stated so nicely, because everything is basically dependent on China.

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Post by _eht »

dang wrote: post #667
_eht wrote: post #490

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Block Waze geospatially. EZPZ. [Insert Taiwan flag emoji here]

HN is a plain text site, so please don't put emojis in HN comments. Unless they're plain text of course.

Alright well that ruined the context of the commentary. Unfortunate. And now I can’t edit to make an appropriate adjustment. Neat.

HN will edit your comments but not let you delete your account? Interesting precedent.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

dan-robertson wrote: post #671
parliament32 wrote: post #597

This is why Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android. If I have a good reason, I can toggle a setting and install APKs built by anyone. If I have a good reason, I can wipe my phone and unlock the bootloader to literally replace and de-Google the entire OS. When I buy a phone, it's a hardware product I'm buying. Just like when you buy a PC/laptop, what you run on it is your business, not the manufacturer…

So you can of course side load apps more easily on Android, but it isn’t super easy. I guess that matters less when people are motivated. But... if this statement were true in spirit as well then why don’t we see google seizing this PR opportunity and making statements about the superiority of their App Store’s more liberal model? Why do we instead see Google quietly removing HK-protest related apps too? I guess the…

> So you can of course side load apps more easily on Android, but it isn’t super easy. I guess that matters less when people are motivated.

Well, there's a balance here. If it's too easy, some users will be tricked into installing malware.

I think Android is a good compromise. If you're even a tiny bit technically inclined, you can enable sideloading in a couple of minutes at most, and it's a one-time process.

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Post by zahrc »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #545
zahrc wrote: post #532

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How many tech parts, phones, and whatnot are “made in China”? How many of these companies are owned by the government? Basically by buying whatever you are shoving money in to this regime. No matter what and where you buy. Also what about huawei?

Nonsense. You are putting many different threats all on the same level.

I see android as a different threat on many levels. Mostly referring to parent comment that switching to android is not going to solve anything.

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Post by throwawy4trueth »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #297

And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

The popular perception is Apple surrender to CPP because of money and sacrifice an app that gives HK "citizen" rights.

The alternative of the perception is the App is the tool of HK "mobs" to sabotage the HK infrastructure. To avoid further esculation of the violent situation which evetually could lead to the intervention of Chinese army, Apple agree to remove the App.

So Apple has the courage to face the popular opinion of mobs. The problem of mobs is that when there's a controvercial issue without concensus, mobs believe that are the God who can decide which is right or wrong without knowing they are the ones who are fooled by Weapons of Massive Deception.

I admire the courage of Apple (Maybe not so much because Apple is powerful enough to stand against the opinion of mobs/activists/cult believers. I'm not brave so I have to create an alternative ID to be downvoted by HNers here who believe they are the God who own the truth and are qualified to make judgement that Hong Kong protesters are freedom fighters but not thugs

https://www.rt.com/news/470574-apple-hong-kong-protests-map/

[edit] typo and grammer fix

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Post by zepto »

Apple has obviously compromised themselves here because they are dependent on the good graces of the CCP for their manufacturing, and have caved to pressure.

I don’t think that is in question.

It seems like any company that does something the CCP dislikes is going to face this kind of pressure, and if even Apple can’t resist, the nobody can.

Google obviously chose not to participate in that market at all.

I see a lot of criticism of Apple here, which seems quite reasonable.

That leads me to be curious what people think an acceptable level of participation in the Chinese economy actually is?

Is Google’s move - I.e. exciting entirely - the only ethical option?

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Post by [deleted] »

simonh wrote: post #118
austhrow743 wrote: post #103

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Privacy is good. By being better for privacy than the worlds largest advertising company/consumer spy agency, Apple announced its intent to be for all that is good in the world. That it's a shining beacon of morality. Protector of Italian virginity. China is bad. By capitulating to them after having declared themselves the enforcer of all that is good and holy, Apple has thus committed hypocrisy.

Apple has simply said it will pursue user privacy and security to the limits of what the law will allow. That is all.

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Post by torpidor »

mehhh wrote: post #544
curt15 wrote: post #537

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What interest would Apple have in banning GPL-licensed web apps?

Of that I am not certain, but Apple has banned VLC and many other apps, and continues to ban any GPL code from the app store: https://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance

VLC was removed because a VLC developer (copyrightholder) asked them to. Specifically, they alleged apple did not have the rights to distribute VLC unless they also allowed users to modify / recompile the software.

There is a way for end users to modify their software now, but I don’t know if it would satisfy that developer. VLC relicensed to make clear they don’t require distributors to do this.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

leppr wrote: post #499
gear54rus wrote: post #450

It would be good to remember this moment next time some of their marketing bullshit about privacy will surface again. Their word extends no further than the next paycheck. And people still fall for it.

Privacy and freedom don't necessarily intersect. You could have a lot of privacy but no freedom in a windowless prison cell, or a lot of freedom but no privacy being homeless in the street. (not that Apple's privacy spiel ever really meant anything as a company selling internet-connected black boxes)

The connection in this case is, Apple says they restrict user freedom as a way to protect user privacy.
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