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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by gok »

sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

There's no confusion about what most mainlanders think about the protesters. Most protests in the US are also unpopular.

The confusion is why the party is so insecure about their position that they need to lash out in seemingly childish ways like this. I think the difference is cultural here.

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Post by zahrc »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #299

Lesson learned: don't use apple phones. Android lets you install APKs from any source.

How many tech parts, phones, and whatnot are “made in China”? How many of these companies are owned by the government?

Basically by buying whatever you are shoving money in to this regime. No matter what and where you buy.

Also what about huawei?

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #487
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not different. The societal impact is just larger this time around. Apple's position was never okay, and I hope this situation makes more people realize that.

Ah, come on, there are reasons which are less bad: Not accepting an app because it steals cc data. Virus. Etc. Let's not pretend this is business as usual, however morally bad the usual business already is.

But isn't this all the same thing? Apple made a decision: "This form of speech is dangerous, so we're going to decide what our customers are allowed to see." And so Apple blocks both dangerous speech, and safe speech that could harm Apple's revenue, and safe speech that powerful individuals dislike.

People always seem to think of this as a false dichotomy, so I want to emphasize again that I think Apple's curated App Store is great. It just shouldn't be the only way to acquire software.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by ta20938 »

journalctl wrote: post #268
stephc_int13 wrote: post #261

Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

That’s not how this works. Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world, and saying “just don’t spend money there” is a bit reductionist and trivializes the problem of corporations with more power than nation-states. You need to fight fire with fire: governments of the world (especially the US government) need to create laws that restrict and punish this kind of behavior. Otherwise, I sincerely doubt Apple’s…

The US government is currently rather busy attempting to stave off what looks more and more like a coup.

That the tech industry has been a primary player in enabling this.

Each and every one of us needs to have a nice long think about our own ethics and what we're willing to support.

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Post by matwood »

sho wrote: post #401
matwood wrote: post #352

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> wants all these rights others don't have This is exactly how the United States is setup. Notice how pot is legal in some states and not others? I don't see the National Guard marching on Colorado.

Pot? That's your argument? Show me the state where you can show full penetrative sex on public TV at 9pm, like you can in europe, and I'll agree they're independent. EDIT: OK, that was a dumb example. Substitute banning guns, or lowering the drinking age, or lowering income tax. Country-level things.

Show me a state that wants this type of sex on public TV at 9pm? Many think the public decency laws are outdated, but see little point in fighting them since going on the internet is perfectly legal for anything you want to see.

> like you can in europe

Europe is not an homogeneous place. Some parts of Europe are just as if not more conservative than the most conservative parts of the US. Europe in fact proves my point if we think of Europe (the EU) as a collection of nation states each with their own local laws. BTW, where in Europe is full penetration shown on a public TV at 9pm?

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Post by Danieru »

Democracy cannot be bought with money, so any corporation selling out a people's right to self determination for money is pure immorality.

All of us who enjoy the self rule through democracy should not dismiss our hard won rights as an "opinion". The right to vote for your leader, even a "wrong leader" is an inalienable right. Oppressive regimes like China have do not have the mandate to rule. The mandate to rule comes from the people, and single part China is nothing more than the party of warlords.

Yes the flashpoint is Hong Kong, but all Chinese people deserve democratic elections. Hong Kong just happens to already be legally owed these rights. The rights all humans deserve.

This is not a controversial "opinion", this is the foundation upon which all modern democracies are formed. All humans deserve the right of self rule, and authority comes from the people.

Many of you reading this get to say your forefathers fought for democracy. I wish I could say that, my forefathers were on the wrong side of the fight for democracy. My grand father got shot near Normandy, he was a 14 year old Nazi soldier standing watch. He was wrong to fight for the Nazis, just as any of us are wrong if we sell out another people's rights to democracy.

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Post by curt15 »

mehhh wrote: post #458
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #334

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Apple has been (I suspect purposefully!) dragging their feet on progressive web app support. There list of limitations is long, but most critically for this app (I would imagine), they can't send notifications and they can't work offline.

There are a number of interesting use cases for PWAs, but part of Apple's fear is (potentially) many of their clients will migrate to PWA only, reducing App Store revenue severely. Apple also loses all code auditing and screening, meaning they can't ban GPL licensed PWAs like they ban alternative Linphone builds (as they are GPLv2), Signal Private Messenger builds (GPLv3) and only the official developer can build and…

What interest would Apple have in banning GPL-licensed web apps?

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Post by greedo »

metalchianti wrote: post #494
sho wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pot? That's your argument? Show me the state where you can show full penetrative sex on public TV at 9pm, like you can in europe, and I'll agree they're independent. EDIT: OK, that was a dumb example. Substitute banning guns, or lowering the drinking age, or lowering income tax. Country-level things.

Yes, a psychoactive drug with a longstanding and controversial social history having substantial legal differences state-to-state is VERY significant and representative of what statehood represents in the US. Are you from the US? Based on your OP I'm not sure how much you understand mechanics of the federation. And TBH I'm not sure how much you understand China--personally I think 1930s era fascism is a better analog…

The Supremacy clause of the Constitution really has gutted the original premise of states rights. The only reason that the Federal government doesn't send in the DEA to Oregon/WA/Colorado much anymore is due to politics and culture, not legal mechanisms.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by 66543throwaway »

apocalyptic0n3 wrote: post #372
sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Huh? You just described maybe 1 in 10 Americans. We genuinely do not care about "manifest destiny" and many of us don't put much value in being American either. I'm not even sure what you mean by "skin in the game" > Let's say one day some stupid little state that you don't care about and vaguely resent decides it wants to secede,…

Didn’t Americans freak out over a few players kneeling for the anthem?

Didn’t Americans freak out when Black Lives Matter protesters blocked the highway? A tactic the Hong Kong protestors are using?

Didn’t Americans make fun of Occupy Wall Street?

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