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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by minusSeven »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #297

And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

You just gave me a good reason never too buy iPhone or Apple products if this is true. I am glad I am on Android.

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Post by shadowgovt »

squarefoot wrote: post #649
parliament32 wrote: post #597

This is why Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android. If I have a good reason, I can toggle a setting and install APKs built by anyone. If I have a good reason, I can wipe my phone and unlock the bootloader to literally replace and de-Google the entire OS. When I buy a phone, it's a hardware product I'm buying. Just like when you buy a PC/laptop, what you run on it is your business, not the manufacturer…

"This is why Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android." Android wouldn't allow an app to be installed on official phones if Google didn't want so, and unofficial ones are built in China anyway plus often already ridden with spyware. The only workaround would be a 100% FOSS phone where the user is king and decides what would run or not. Pine64.org devs, are you listening?

Can Android kick out APKs that are side-loaded?

And if they can, what stops a user from swizzling identifiers for the APK and reinstalling it?

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Post by jethro_tell »

__m wrote: post #613
parliament32 wrote: post #597

This is why Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android. If I have a good reason, I can toggle a setting and install APKs built by anyone. If I have a good reason, I can wipe my phone and unlock the bootloader to literally replace and de-Google the entire OS. When I buy a phone, it's a hardware product I'm buying. Just like when you buy a PC/laptop, what you run on it is your business, not the manufacturer…

Why? You want to meddle in politics of foreign countries?

It's not really politics, cutting kidneys out of people isn't really politics. Ignoring human rights violations because it's "Just internal politics" is crazy. Is it a family matter if the father is abusing his kids? The same goes for countries.

Likewise, letting Hong Kong go back to that fucked up dystopia by hampering their ability to organize is messed up.

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Post by computerex »

sho wrote: post #650
computerex wrote: post #642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some alabamans post an app on the app store so they can avoid the national guard. It's linked to secessionist alabamans avoiding and even attacking the guard. What's your evidence that the app is being used to attack the police? And how are you drawing the parallel with the national guard? The things you are posting here are false and dishonest. You haven't provided any evidence to suggest otherwise.

For fuck's sake I don't need to provide evidence for my thought experiment !

You can literally say anything you want and just say that it's a thought experiment. Thought experiments are not exempt from providing evidence where you can, especially when you are making sweeping, stereotypical statements that are clearly biased against Hong Kong and trying to sway the opinion in China's favor.

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Post by riffraff »

mehhh wrote: post #518
frenchyatwork wrote: post #496

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> many of their clients will migrate to PWA only, reducing App Store revenue severely This was also the music industy's fear of digital data about 20-30 years ago.

The business model is outdated, Safari purposefully being a laggard with no alternatives on iOS will eventually bite Apple in the butt, it is just a question of when. Both the Music industry and Apple seek to maintain their control and thus their cash cows, but whether that will continue to work out for Apple remains to be seen...

> The business model is outdated

And what is it's replacement? It seems in app purchases are what keeps up a large part of mobile apps.

iTunes changed the music business, but I have not noticed a similar change for mobile apps, web or not.

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Post by jethro_tell »

ycombonator wrote: post #646
eli wrote: post #603

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If China asked forcefully enough, think they'd start blacklisting sites in Safari?

That could potentially be the next step in forced censorship.

Well, I'm sure they just extend parts of the great firewall. Not need to get apple in on it.

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Post by [deleted] »

khc wrote: post #560
idlewords wrote: post #330

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You're ascribing motives to the Hong Kong protesters that they don't have. This is not a separatist movement, even though the Chinese government insists on characterizing it as such. Public opinion surveys in Hong Kong show the overwhelming majority of respondents aren't asking for independence. The five demands that are the crux of the current protests don't involve independence. They center on China holding up its…

This is factually correct and relevant, not sure why it's downvoted

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Post by parliament32 »

squarefoot wrote: post #649
parliament32 wrote: post #597

This is why Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android. If I have a good reason, I can toggle a setting and install APKs built by anyone. If I have a good reason, I can wipe my phone and unlock the bootloader to literally replace and de-Google the entire OS. When I buy a phone, it's a hardware product I'm buying. Just like when you buy a PC/laptop, what you run on it is your business, not the manufacturer…

"This is why Apple will always be a second-class citizen to Android." Android wouldn't allow an app to be installed on official phones if Google didn't want so, and unofficial ones are built in China anyway plus often already ridden with spyware. The only workaround would be a 100% FOSS phone where the user is king and decides what would run or not. Pine64.org devs, are you listening?

Android has no way to prevent an APK from being installed. The only thing they can do is add the signature to Play Protect, which will just prompt you that the app may be unsafe, and you can disable it.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by rrix2 »

mehhh wrote: post #544
curt15 wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What interest would Apple have in banning GPL-licensed web apps?

Of that I am not certain, but Apple has banned VLC and many other apps, and continues to ban any GPL code from the app store: https://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance

They do that to "protect" their DRM and application support libraries from GPL virality which wouldn't be a problem with PWAs
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