Live data from Hacker News

Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

twitter.com

561–570 of 931 posts

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#561
post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a psychoactive drug with a longstanding and controversial social history having substantial legal differences state-to-state is VERY significant and representative of what statehood represents in the US. Are you from the US? Based on your OP I'm not sure how much you understand mechanics of the federation. And TBH I'm not sure how much you understand China--personally I think 1930s era fascism is a better analog…

> is VERY significant and representative of what statehood represents in the US Not really. It's frigging pot. It's been de-facto legal for decades. Show me a state doing something serious, like banning guns, reversing roe v wade, changing the state language, change the voting age. Difference-between-country stuff. I should have thought of something like that for my initial post; would have reduced this silly nitpick…

> banning guns, reversing roe v wade

You realize gun and abortion laws already vary greatly from state to state?

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Huh? You just described maybe 1 in 10 Americans. We genuinely do not care about "manifest destiny" and many of us don't put much value in being American either. I'm not even sure what you mean by "skin in the game" > Let's say one day some stupid little state that you don't care about and vaguely resent decides it wants to secede,…

Didn’t Americans freak out over a few players kneeling for the anthem? Didn’t Americans freak out when Black Lives Matter protesters blocked the highway? A tactic the Hong Kong protestors are using? Didn’t Americans make fun of Occupy Wall Street?

Those aren’t middle class tech coastal people though, more like older middle Americans who get all their news from the TV

I expect old Chinese people to be jingoistic but if educated young people are that’s just a sad testament to how little creative/critical thinking is encouraged in China

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not going to argue whether or not anything you've said is untrue, but you're leaving out some pretty important details which puts the protesters in a worse light. First of all, one of the initial demands of the protest was to retract the characterization of one of the earlier protests as a riot. So even peaceful demonstrations have been cracked down on by the government. Even well-organized protests such as the o…

That's the gist of it. Of course I left out a lot of things, and not all of them are in the protesters's favor. > early on the police were ordering people to disperse even though there was no violence at that time. But did the police use violence first? > late in July there were increasing attacks on protesters in which police stood by as people were attacked with poles. It seems that in this case, it was the police…

>When you treat the police like your enemy, how do you expect them to rush to your help the moment you need it? And seeing that the protesters were more than capable of violence themselves, why would the police rush to help?

Because you have a sense of honor and duty? Because you want to preserve the possibility of peaceful protest? The reasons go on.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#564
post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

Biased much? And why are you assuming that everyone here isn't familiar with the dynamics of China and Hong Kong? Maybe you just want to repeat the Chinese propaganda/rhetoric in hope of swaying some minds?

You haven't even provided a single shred of evidence to support the beliefs you are attributing to the vast number of Chinese people. Hacker news is a site of logic and evidence based reasoning, not for propagating senseless propaganda.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#565
post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. Make the app a Web App and visit it in Safari. Apple has banned it being notarized and distributed from their App Store but iPhones still have access to the conventional web which Apple has no control over.

Apple has been (I suspect purposefully!) dragging their feet on progressive web app support. There list of limitations is long, but most critically for this app (I would imagine), they can't send notifications and they can't work offline.

> Apple has been (I suspect purposefully!) dragging their feet on progressive web app support.

The original point was that apparently there are no "work arounds" not mentioning that it could be done via WebApp seems a little disingenous.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#566

And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

apple always has failed in creating a mapping app. also it is hinders with other developers beautiful works !

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#567

Wait. They did ban it. Then they approved it again. Have they banned it again? See BoingBoing article from Oct 4th: "Apple reverses ban on HKmap.live app tracking Hong Kong protests & police" https://boingboing.net/2019/10/04/hkmap-live-hong-kong.html

> Wait. They did ban it. Then they approved it again.

At first it wasn't exactly a ban, it was rejected before even going online [1]. Then they reversed the rejection.

[1] https://twitter.com/hkmaplive/status/1179108329240424448

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, Cook is a corporate shill, not an ideologue.

I'm not saying that Cook should diversify manufacturing for moral reasons. I am saying he should do it for purely practical reasons. But I do believe that a gay CEO who grew up in Alabama really cares about privacy.

He cares only if it costs the company nothing to care.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or just switch to Android and you can install the APK, and likely unlock your bootloader and install a custom ROM.

I don't know why are people against your comment. What happened to "vote with your wallet?" it used to be the way Americans punished companies. What gives power to these companies to be evil is that we as a society keep giving them money. Just stop giving them money and they will change.

It's not as easy due to network effects.

Part of these are social network effects (all my friends use it, plus the apps they use need you to use the same apps, meaning you have to use the same OS or one of the big ones, etc).

Part of them are actual network effects (you've already used the same g-suite or whatever apple provides, and moving to something else - if it exists at all - is either very difficult or impossible).

I'm sure there's others I am not thinking of right now.

But both leave only the "hardcore" privacy and open source activists as your only market - and that's so small that only others of similar persuasion even both to create and host those alternatives, if they exist at all. Since the market is small, and developers/time is lacking, UI and other parts of such apps/operating systems/ecospaces tend to be non-existant or suffer other oddities that keep them out of being adopted by the masses, unless those people get fed up enough with the existing products to be willing to put up with all the downsides of a more free and open system.

Which is kinda where Linux is today - a combination of becoming "good enough" - but also coupled with more than a bit of "corporate America" (and/or "corporate west") helping to make it just a tad better (for business use, for gaming, etc) - and the masses who are getting fed up with Apple and/or Microsoft - a few of them peel off to see what it's all about. Dual boot, or virtualization (and Microsoft has made that easier, too), they get a taste, and some think "hey this isn't really that bad - I can do almost everything" and some migrate over (with the big exception - games - but Valve and Steam are helping in that regard, too).

That's what is needed in the mobile realm, and nothing exists yet. Yes, there are alternatives, but the real bugger has been the hardware - which is very locked down, and only (again) the hardcore and activists are willing to go the extra mile to break open (root, jailbreak) consumer-available hardware, or purchase already "open" hardware, or go so far as to build their own hardware (I am contemplating this option, personally).

Until it gets easier for the "masses" to get a more open hardware mobile platform, the next step of an open ecosystem, operating systems, and apps is much for difficult to make happen. With Apple and Samsung being the main two hardware providers (for iOS and Android respectively), with the way both lock down their hardware, it will stay this way.

But really - for Android at least - Samsung does this mainly for the providers themselves. For instance (in my case), I have a G7 - but it's a T-Mobile version. I paid for it in full (I don't have a contract with T-Mobile, but they are my provider) - but Samsung provides a different version of the G7 (with a different processor and such) than they do outside the USA. That hardware is much easier to root, while the USA version is seemingly made to be as airtight as possible to root (with a constant back-and-forth game being played behind the scenes). It is strange - it's partly Samsung, partly the providers.

Ultimately, I'm just going to opt-out of this hardware game and build my own platform; I already have the 4G module to support phone and data (and I am planning on using it for data only, as I virtually never use my phone for voice calls). If I am lucky, it will be my winter project.

Post reply on HN