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Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by stickfigure »

kbenson wrote: post #288
stickfigure wrote: post #104

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A file system is a database, with a well understood user API. Yes, a terrible API which works poorly for most home use cases. You probably have music on your computer. In your hierarchical filesystem, do you organize it by Genre/Artist/Album or Artist/Album? Do music videos live in the same Artist directory or in a separate "video" folder? Chances are you don't know/care because you're using an app like iTunes that b…

I take it you missed the part where I said " None of t hat seems like something that would require anything more than an extension that handled additional metadata"? I'm not saying don't add additional data that can be fast indexed and trackable, I'm just not sure why it requires a rewrite from the ground up and isn't additional data that is tracked tacked onto the file metadata. I mean, what is that not going to be…

So you want to take existing filesystem technology, and build additional indexing and query capabilities so that it can handle nonhierarchical data? Sounds like a great idea. Let's call it "Longhorn".

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by dpkonofa »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #304
dpkonofa wrote: post #301

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Except that's not true at all unless every single one of these is an old version of the software that hasn't been updated since High Sierra. Any app that was developed using the sandboxing paradigm from High Sierra (and nearly every app in that list has been updated to support this) would not need to ask for all those permissions. This would not be common for the vast majority of users and it's only caused by someone…

Did you actually look at the article you're replying to? I literally took the screenshot that was posted and enumerated every application asking for permissions. If it happened to them, it'll happen to many, many users. Especially if those apps are updating outside of MAS.

>every application asking for permissions

Only every outdated application asking for permissions. The author of that post already explained why he was getting so many of those prompts. He admitted that it probably wasn't reflective of what the typical install will look like specifically because he was purposely using older versions of software.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by kbenson »

stickfigure wrote: post #311
kbenson wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take it you missed the part where I said " None of t hat seems like something that would require anything more than an extension that handled additional metadata"? I'm not saying don't add additional data that can be fast indexed and trackable, I'm just not sure why it requires a rewrite from the ground up and isn't additional data that is tracked tacked onto the file metadata. I mean, what is that not going to be…

So you want to take existing filesystem technology, and build additional indexing and query capabilities so that it can handle nonhierarchical data? Sounds like a great idea. Let's call it "Longhorn".

I think you mean WinFS. Longhorn is a whole release codename, which encompassed many new features.

Given that a beta WinFS eventually was made available as a separate download years after even it's beta was slated to be released[1], I suspect they did what I outlined above - eventually. Otherwise, I'm not sure why a bolt on component to the system would require so long and miss deadlines like it did.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinFS#Development

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by hakfoo »

ohazi wrote: post #142
ashishb wrote: post #130

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WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

Wifi: The advice from five years ago was to select/buy the Intel wifi card. Those are the only ones I've used, and they've all Just Worked. Intel cards are the only option if you're buying a Thinkpad. Sleep and hibernate: Works on every Lenovo I've used. Battery: My most recent laptop gets around 8-9 hours with a new battery on a normal workload, and when it drops to 3 hours, I buy a new battery.

Tell my E585 and its craptacular Realtek card that. I ordered an Intel card but it's been in weird foreign shipper hell for weeks.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by Lio »

chungus_khan wrote: post #309
Lio wrote: post #307

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That’s interesting. I wonder can Linux be persuaded to dynamically alter the swap space from 0 as part of the suspend script?

I think if you were to use a swapfile and set swappiness to zero it should behave like this.

Brilliant! I think this is the going to be the answer. Have the swapfile but use swappiness to tell the kernel not to use it day to day. Thank you :D

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by djsumdog »

ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

> OS X since Snow Leopard

10.6 was my last favourite release. Lion (10.7) removed expose (no way to put it back in) replaced it with the terrible Mission Control (removed having multiple rows of desktops. Now you just had one long row. Expose no longer split out all windows so you could see them; it grouped like windows together without the ability to turn the feature off)

I've personally been using Linux at all the jobs I've held since 2012. I use it at work and at home, with my Windows machine being exclusively used for games and photo editing (I have some workflows with Darktable, but I still really prefer Lightroom).

Linux is a great development platform and tiling window managers (i3/swap, xmonad, awesome, etc.) really make it shine if you're willing to put in the effort to learn them. I'm lucky I've been at four different companies that either allowed or encourages developers who wanted to run Linux exclusively. These days I ask about it in job interviews and don't continue down paths where a Mac is the only option.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by djsumdog »

coldtea wrote: post #234
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

> Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in What exactly is the evidence behind this? They have been adding several huge components/APIs/tools that they have working for macOS (Metal, APFS, Swift, CoreML, etc), they have had added the Mac App Store, they have tons of under the hood improvements (e.g. memory compression), and so on. What exactly did you e…

> What exactly is the evidence behind this?

10.7 is where they removed Expose (replaced it with Mission Control) and it frustrated me to no end not being able to have rows of workspaces. It go so bad that was around the time I started doing everything in a Linux VM in Parallels. Lion was the last version I used, and at other places I worked, I just heard endless frustration about permissions, root access restrictions and other issues that are pretty specific to developers.

> In my experience in most definitely not "just work"

A lot of stuff doesn't when you need commercial integration, sure. Evolution-ews does mostly just work with Exchange though. You can connect to Docker containers without needing a VPN. Package management in most Linux distros is more straight forward and can update almost everything. You can add 3rd party repos and not be tied to an "App Store."

Linux does require some more work sometime, but I know how to fix things on it. I'm not digging through some Mac or Windows weird subsystem bullshit, trying to figure out why I'm getting permissions errors all over the place.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by djsumdog »

thawaway1837 wrote: post #206
bskap wrote: post #200

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It's not a GPL problem. It's a GPLv3 problem. Most likely the anti-tivoization clause. Linux, like the old version of Bash that Apple is shipping, is licensed under GPL v2. I suspect Microsoft is also very careful to make sure they don't ship any GPL v3 components with Windows itself, even when they're available via separate download, because they want to be able to ship locked down devices.

That still doesn’t answer how MS is able to ship an entire Linux OS which obviously contains the newest versions of bash and many other binaries without apparently having licensing issues that Apple does.

They don't ship it though. The Linux subsystem for Windows is a different component. It's an image you download and run (might be community maintained too; not sure).

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by derefr »

coldtea wrote: post #255
UIZealot wrote: post #249

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> >Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in > What exactly is the evidence behind this? I agree neglect is probably not the right word. I like the term Marco Arment uses on his ATP podcast: drive-by updates. > They have been adding several huge components/APIs/tools that they have working for macOS (Metal, APFS, Swift, CoreML, etc), These all seem to ha…

> These all seem to have been developed for iOS first and macOS second. iOS and macOS is basically the same OS. iOS uses the same kernel and main userland, and was developed just as a spin-off of OS X with more lockdown enabled, some inapplicable services removed, and a profile that fits smaller devices. Otherwise the kernel, fs, userland, etc is 90% the same, minus different APIs (mostly UI) on top (which they also…

> iOS and macOS is basically the same OS.

Sure, but when people talk about "macOS being neglected", they're referring to a neglect of work put into the things that are uniquely macOS: multi-user support (better Fast-User Switching; better Screen Sharing; OpenDirectory et al; AFS back when that was considered a good idea; Server.app features); workstation productivity (evolution of the windowing paradigm seems to have stopped after Mission Control was introduced); fault-tolerance features like Time Machine; treating non-sandboxed (incl. POSIX CLI) apps as first-class citizens; and, well, any updates at all to the natively-desktop apps like Finder and XCode.

When was the last time you saw Apple announce a new feature of an app that exists only on macOS? Or announce a new OS feature that only makes sense, design-wise, on a desktop? They used to do both of these pretty frequently. The only things I can name from the last two releases are tabs (Finder) and dark mode (macOS generally.) Those are pretty small beans.

Oh, and there was also the whole NeXT-y paradigm of document bundles, Spotlight discovering app bundles and registering their file-type handlers and provided components, etc. That seems to have been lost in the shuffle—maybe the people responsible for it have all left. Remember QuickLook plugins? Remember when Preview worked on basically every file-format that you would run into on the internet, rather than not even knowing how to display a WebP?

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by derefr »

zamalek wrote: post #157
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

> the current monstrosity literally requires you to let it reboot itself on a 9-5 schedule. * the previous monstrosity. Windows will now let you carry on without updating until seriously important security updates are a month old. They really do have to force the hand of ignorant users eventually, else Microsoft gets blamed for an insecure OS. I also don't understand where you get the idea that msft doesn't care abou…

> They really do have to force the hand of ignorant users eventually, else Microsoft gets blamed for an insecure OS.

Theoretically, Microsoft could restructure their whole OS to support hot code reloading of system components, such that nothing ever needs rebooting. I mean, nobody else does it, either; but it'd be neat, wouldn't it?

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