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Tell me your sane leaders in the “west”. Was it George Bush, David Cameron, Trump, Johnson who is it?
I'm in West-Central Europe, the ones taking in refugees. The people you mentioned are the ones creating them, so ask them.
How do Europeans feel about the Kurds these days? When I was growing up in Germany in the 70s and 80s they weren't super popular but I'm guessing with Turkey turning to fundamentalism the attitudes have changed?
Hard working people, family oriented, mostly (but not all) muslim, they tend to be moderate about religion.... especially compared with the craziness that goes around them.... They got the short stick of the dividing of the area, and their lands were used as a 'loot' to divy up by the great powers... They ended up as a nation without a country. They have faced great persecution over times, even mass gassing (in Iraq…
What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…
> Charter city citizenship does not mean access to EU. How do you stop them? We're talking about extremely motivated people here. > Everyone moving in is allowed and expected to work in the society. How do you make them? What do you do if they refuse? > EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health care and tax authorities. Like another poster said - who pays for it, an…
Fences. Walls. Snakes and Alligators. Guns. I think there are lots of ways to keep people in one side of the border. In addition to these (to be sure that my sarcasm gets passed, not just in addition, but much more importantly) Clear incentives. In the charter city you can work and study and live officially a good life. You go past the snake pit, you are not able to do any of that but are immediately brought back to charter city when caught.
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Primary source would be taxes from the charter city citizens. I do not believe that the people moving in would be completely helpless. Then the possible remainning part of the funding, well, at the moment quite a few European countries are borrowing money with negative interest rates. So I assume they can borrow quite a pile of money before the interedt rates become unbearable. And to be clear, this is in my mind one…
Are you aware that the whole Brexit campaign revolved around the fact that giving money away to people abroad clashes with voters?
If European taxpayers don't want their taxes going to other EU countries then that should tell you something about their desire to aid people outside the EU.
Charity starts at home.
What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…
So, concentration camps?..
I may be wrong... Isn't it that according to the law, the refugees are allowed to get the shelter in the first country they manage to get to? In this case it's Turkey, right?
Even within the EU (and Turkey is not part of the EU, which is the EU's fault, not TUrkey's), this rule has been bent a lot in recent years. Greece and Italy and other countries have been sending refugees north. Of course, the Mediterranean countries will regret this bad precedent once the hordes of Scandinavian refugees come down from the south, and Germany and France and Benelux expect them to take some of them. Oh…
They did that because they didn't have the resources to deal with that and when they asked the rich countries for help all they got was "sux to be you. sorry fam, you're on your own. lol"
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Are you aware that the whole Brexit campaign revolved around the fact that giving money away to people abroad clashes with voters?
This x1000. The EU started to crack during the Greece financial crisis, way before the refugee crisis, since the Northern EU states didn't want to give any more money to the economically failing Southern EU states. If European taxpayers don't want their taxes going to other EU countries then that should tell you something about their desire to aid people outside the EU. Charity starts at home.
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Make the immigrants/refugees actually work when they get here. Something like up to 80% are on welfare and public housing etc. You don't work or go to school, you go back.
Asylum seekers are deliberately prevented from working in the UK, it's illegal for them to do so. They are paid £37.75 a week to live on. This is not a lot.
Shifting discussion from the cost of refugees to talking about only the food cost, or whatever it is that £37.75 a week amounts to, seems like a deliberate dodge. I'd be pretty insulted if I was from the UK. Obviously that's not a lot of money because obviously its not the whole picture.
What they are paid, or that they are paid at all, is never ever a relevant £ figure in these discussions unless its introduced to make it sound artificially small. When discussing cost, nothing but the total £ cost per refugee matters.
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America.
I wanted to reply "Wasn't it mostly while it was sparsely populated and expanding?", but decided to check numbers first. You are right! https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2017/tab...
Secondly, these new citizens are truly multicultural, as they literally come from every part of the globe - opposed to the refugees coming into the EU who are mostly from a middle eastern cultural origin. Because of this new immigrants coming into the US rarely have the luxury of arriving in a group of people similar to them so they are pretty much forced to assimilate.
Lastly, the geographical position of the US and their immigration policies allow them to be able to sift through the millions of applicants and pick the cream of the crop. Winning the dv lottery is not unconditional - it's only the first step in a series of screenings and checks one needs to undergo before he's even approved to become an american citizen. This is the polar opposite of the migrant situation in Europe where millions of people are simply passing through county borders without barely any supervision or control.
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This x1000. The EU started to crack during the Greece financial crisis, way before the refugee crisis, since the Northern EU states didn't want to give any more money to the economically failing Southern EU states. If European taxpayers don't want their taxes going to other EU countries then that should tell you something about their desire to aid people outside the EU. Charity starts at home.
So, when the 3 million plus Syrians are starting to walk into EU from Turkey, are these people not willing to aid others going to volunteer to stand in the front line and tell them that they are not welcome? How are you going to solve that? 3 million people is quite a damn lot even if you have a couple of machine guns to try to help you in your negotiations.
If you want to pay taxes to house, feed, educate and care for 3 million extra people, fine by me, just don't make me pay for your charity. In fact, why don't you already take some on your house?
I work hard and burn myself out to pay for my children, and mine alone, not for others'.