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UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by point78 »

delfinom wrote: post #40
beefield wrote: post #36

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

>- EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health care and tax authorities. So tell me, how does the EU magically drum up money for all of this?

Make the immigrants/refugees actually work when they get here.

Something like up to 80% are on welfare and public housing etc.

You don't work or go to school, you go back.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by ahbyb »

aivisol wrote: post #47
beefield wrote: post #36

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

> All refugees coming to EU are directed to these charter cities. This seems to be problematic IMHO. Who would want to go there instead of already build, well run city. Would you?

They are free to stay in their own countries then.

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Post by adwww »

beefield wrote: post #36

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

Charter does sound a much better name than slums or shanty towns.

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Post by swingbrother »

remarkEon wrote: post #38
dev_dull wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turkey is a huge trading partner to the US and not really a rival. They make the chassis to our next-gen fighter planes, for example. Why toss that aside?

Why toss that aside? I actually didn't know that the chassis for the F-35 is manufactured in Turkey. Do you have a source for this? If this is the case then it seems incredibly shortsighted to source a critical component from half-way around the world - from a country that obviously doesn't like us very much.

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Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by sahinabi »

aivisol wrote: post #47
beefield wrote: post #36

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

> All refugees coming to EU are directed to these charter cities. This seems to be problematic IMHO. Who would want to go there instead of already build, well run city. Would you?

It sounds like a refugee camp with much, much better PR.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by zwieback »

iddqd wrote: post #20
zwieback wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It made sense during the cold war but they need to be kicked out now.

If Turkey got kicked out of NATO on bad terms, who do you think will step in to fill the power vacuum?

I don't think whatever power Turkey has is controlled by NATO. At this point I'm more concerned about the Collective Defense article - would NATO be aligned against Turkey's enemies? I don't think so.

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Post by [deleted] »

utf985 wrote: post #31
Robotbeat wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. It'd be nice to see a coordinated effort to welcome and resettle the refugees. A pro-active program that is a pan-ethnic, almost nationalistic to add these refugees to the EU economic and cultural might, with education on local customs and languages and other help in integration. Call the bluff.

I can't tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic or just extremely naive wishful thinking. Could you provide at least one example of a successful such program?

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Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dev_dull wrote: post #26
remarkEon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What power vacuum? What power projection is Turkey really capable of?

Turkey is a huge trading partner to the US and not really a rival. They make the chassis to our next-gen fighter planes, for example. Why toss that aside?

> Turkey is a huge trading partner to the US

Turkey’s entire economy is like half the size of New York City’s. And in any case, ejection from NATO doesn’t mean comprehensive sanctions.

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