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Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by snazz »

otachack wrote: post #440
not_a_cop75 wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it like it cant be loaded via other means? Apple store, surprisingly enough is not the only game in town when getting things to install to Apple.

Technically can pony up for a Enterprise account ($200/yr?) and have protestors install the app after trusting the Enterprise org. You just have to host the IPA on a site somewhere. If you want to build the source code and install the app to a device, you still need at least a Dev account ($99/yr) and macOS+Xcode. Without an account you won't have the provisioning and certificates to install on a "Dev" device. You ar…

You can side load indefinitely for free with Xcode and a regular Apple ID, so long as you sync your phone with iTunes Wi-Fi sync at least every 7 days. That’s the premise behind AltStore: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/25/20884363/altstore-riley-t...

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Post by bluetidepro »

typeformer wrote: post #469

The protesters should start using Waze...what will Apple do then?

I was thinking the same thing, there is plenty of apps that you can basically do this same functionality in? Why not just move to one of those to stop this from being able to happen? And FWIW, I'm still against Apple taking down the app from the store, but just also was curious why the app was ever needed in the first place (again, cause you can do literally this on apps like Waze)?

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Post by NicoJuicy »

Just when I complimented Apple for the first time in my life.

I can retract the same comment within 24 hours.

How can they keep a straight face, promoting security and privacy after such a public failure, where obviously profits come first.

I'm pretty sure that the Chinese bots, that gave the app a 1-star rating aren't banned at all.

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Post by gutnor »

scarface74 wrote: post #437

Ben Thompson of Stratechery talks about this a lot. Apple always says they want to own the most important pieces of their products but then Tim Cook when he was COO made the decision to be completely beholden to China for their manufacturing. I hope that Apple is seriously trying to diversify their supply chain out of China. It can be done at scale - Samsung moved all of their manufacturing out of Chins.

China is a big growing market and the CCP cleverly share a huge piece of the pie with Western companies. Western Democracies are growth addict and China is their dealer.

Another "problem" is that despite its corruption and autocracy, the CCP still manages to make life better for the average Chinese. On the street it is not a hopeless hell, so right now giving up some of their freedom looks like a good deal to them.

So even if Apple manage to break free from its manufacturing lock in, that's a lot of general inertia to go against. Also, considering that Apple approach to privacy is more and more at odd in the Western World, they have enough on their plate already.

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Post by apearson »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #297

And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

There's a balance between freedom of expression and security (de-platforming). Where that balance is, is different for most everyone.

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Post by xtracto »

techntoke wrote: post #445
s_dev wrote: post #324

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>And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. Make the app a Web App and visit it in Safari. Apple has banned it being notarized and distributed from their App Store but iPhones still have access to the conventional web which Apple has no control over.

Or just switch to Android and you can install the APK, and likely unlock your bootloader and install a custom ROM.

I don't know why are people against your comment. What happened to "vote with your wallet?" it used to be the way Americans punished companies. What gives power to these companies to be evil is that we as a society keep giving them money. Just stop giving them money and they will change.

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Post by [deleted] »

otachack wrote: post #440
not_a_cop75 wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it like it cant be loaded via other means? Apple store, surprisingly enough is not the only game in town when getting things to install to Apple.

Technically can pony up for a Enterprise account ($200/yr?) and have protestors install the app after trusting the Enterprise org. You just have to host the IPA on a site somewhere. If you want to build the source code and install the app to a device, you still need at least a Dev account ($99/yr) and macOS+Xcode. Without an account you won't have the provisioning and certificates to install on a "Dev" device. You ar…

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Post by thewholeview »

missosoup wrote: post #517
thewholeview wrote: post #410

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Thanks for trying to educate the mass in a factual manner, and I'd like to apologize for others for voting you down. Unfortunately many of HN are fueled currently by a righteous sense of nationalism and words outside the context of the media cannot be easily consumed at the moment. It's absolutely similar in Chinese forums though as we are through an era that has the easiest path towards a propaganda for a collective…

I have a good-faith question for you. Your account is 6 days old. Your account's activity is 100% directed towards China-related threads and your comments take on a CCP angle. I'd like to know what brought you to HN and what you hope to accomplish here. Where do you live? Where did you study? What are your political leanings? I would love to open a line of dialogue.

Thanks for asking. I've answered this in another thread, I'll copy paste the reply over with minor edits:

Yes, I can admit that I've created an alternate account. Because the current American political atmosphere is instilling fear for my ability to freely express the alternative that's other than the popular opinion. I'm selfish and wish to not cause damage to my credential on my main account, and leave that for non-political discussions.

I only come to hope to bring certain other perspective in peace and hoping for scholarly discussions on perspectives that I've not personally considered.

As for my life trajectory, I was born in China, studied in Canada, and now presently resides in America. I like to think that I lean towards the center, but other people may not believe so.

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Post by 66543throwaway »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #261

Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

Don’t forget Adobe being forced to terminate all accounts in Venezuela.
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