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Lesson learned: don't use apple phones. Android lets you install APKs from any source.

China forces the Uighurs and anyone who visits their region (Xinjiang) to install malware on their Android: https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/294389-china-is-installin...

Banning sideloading forced China to use iOS exploits, which are ephemeral and not consistently effective.

Installing apps outside a repository (like on most Linux distros) is a dual edged sword, Apple and Google are poor stewards of their software repositories compared to Debian or OpenSuse.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not an argument in good faith. Alabama has no precedence of self governance, and that precedence is not being actively threatened by the US government. The thought that HK protesters (or Alabamians) just want to “marry their cousins or something” is icing on the cake. Just because some people think it is so does not make it so.

Better examples might be Vermont or Texas.

Those aren't recent enough to be comparable. Better examples would be Puerto Rico or Guam.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying that Cook should diversify manufacturing for moral reasons. I am saying he should do it for purely practical reasons. But I do believe that a gay CEO who grew up in Alabama really cares about privacy.

It may be worthwhile to examine that belief. If someone cares about X because of Y, then maybe that person cares about Y and not X. If X is no longer a precondition for Y, then that person might drop X without a thought. https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/121329-purity-of-heart...

It's also with the understanding that that person has a consistent set of values, and wouldn't just drop all their values for a few million more dollars.

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Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

That’s not how this works. Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world, and saying “just don’t spend money there” is a bit reductionist and trivializes the problem of corporations with more power than nation-states. You need to fight fire with fire: governments of the world (especially the US government) need to create laws that restrict and punish this kind of behavior. Otherwise, I sincerely doubt Apple’s…

Somehow I think this is exactly how it works.

Apples marketing claim in the recent years has been users privacy concerns. So why shouldn't such a move be also just as relevant as the marketing in the recent years?

I find it interesting how the blame shifting works these days. While with Blizzard, all the hate goes to Blizzard, with Apple there seem to be at least two fronts. One blaming Apple, the other aiming away from them towards China.

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It's time that North Americans take a stand and use economic power for something other than furthering that goal. There are so many places where a simple refusal to kowtow/censor or technical attack on censorship infrastructure could help so many that don't have the luxury of living in our world. If we're not going to use all this economic power for good, what's the point?

You're not going to be able to.

America and other classical democracies are in a phase of aging where a decline in prosperity combined with a die-hard (unthinking) application of absolute freedom of speech are paralyzing action. Everyone is disagreeing with each other over a shrinking pie, pitting demographic against demographic, and not only that, any genuine disagreement and decision making is muddied by agents trying to confuse people.

There is no prioritization or restriction on who may say what, how loudly, or regardless of how harmful or counter to the public good it is. And, may I add, most democratic governments do not have a strong enough perspective (in this period) on what the public good is.

As a result, those places that have harnessed the power of demographics while also controlling the message are gaining power. Obviously I mean China. Yes they have anti-absolute-free-speech restrictions that are repugnant to us. But you're damn sure they stay on message as a country/government.

Unfortunately this situation is also to the benefit of chaotic actors like Russia, where they benefit from just other countries being paralyzed and them being able to do what they want.

In the absence of government leadership, corporations had the chance of filling in the role. But now we see that in the face of power, they recoil as well. We did this to ourselves, by letting our priorities get muddled as we got richer. We didn't "stay hungry", my friends.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or if all the app does is report police presence using your location, they could create a website and not need an app at all....

It’s not that easy to create a website in China. You need an ICP license to run a website over there.

Not in Hong Kong, only in the mainland.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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It would be good to remember this moment next time some of their marketing bullshit about privacy will surface again. Their word extends no further than the next paycheck. And people still fall for it.

This doesn’t have anything to do with privacy.

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Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

edit: I removed this comment. I travel in China. (HN doesnt' apparently allow me to "delete" it, so I apologize for the edit.)

It's shocking to westerners but this is the nature of indoctrination. Also, note how OP compared tianxia to manifest destiny instead of lebensraum.
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