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UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

#81

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

What happens once charter cities have a large enough population to influence elections and change direction of the country in objection of the citizens of that country?

What I don’t understand is why we don’t treat these mass exodus of people from one country to another country like we do datacenter failovers and failbacks. Give people refuge, let them carry on productively with their life and the condition is that they failback once the situation has stabilized in the country they fled from.

To allow a select few to stay, you can create a merit based program based on contribution to adopted society and assimilation to provide an incentive to become part of the adopted host country and be allowed to stay instead of failed back.

Without failbacks, we absorb good people willing to work for a better life and deprive that country of those people long term. That never allows those countries to get better because most of the good people leave and never go back. Failbacks would be the healthiest form of nation building since it would be done by citizens of the country in need of being built up.

Furthermore, refugees should not change the country that graciously hosted them in a way that many of the citizens of that country dislike. That’s being a bad houseguest.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

#82
post #77

Nothing against helping refugees but EU and NATO should cancel any further economical and military cooperation with Turkey ASAP until they have a more sane leader in charge.

Tell me your sane leaders in the “west”. Was it George Bush, David Cameron, Trump, Johnson who is it?

I'm in West-Central Europe, the ones taking in refugees. The people you mentioned are the ones creating them, so ask them.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

#83
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic or just extremely naive wishful thinking. Could you provide at least one example of a successful such program?

America.

I wanted to reply "Wasn't it mostly while it was sparsely populated and expanding?", but decided to check numbers first. You are right!

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2017/tab...

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>- EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health care and tax authorities. So tell me, how does the EU magically drum up money for all of this?

Primary source would be taxes from the charter city citizens. I do not believe that the people moving in would be completely helpless. Then the possible remainning part of the funding, well, at the moment quite a few European countries are borrowing money with negative interest rates. So I assume they can borrow quite a pile of money before the interedt rates become unbearable. And to be clear, this is in my mind one…

Are you aware that the whole Brexit campaign revolved around the fact that giving money away to people abroad clashes with voters?

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

#86
post #67

Why is Turkey in NATO? At this point Their behavior is nothing but antagonistic at best and downright nefarious at worst.

Get off your frigging high horse. Who are you to judge Erdogan when you consistently produce war criminal presidents.

You understand it is bad actors, along with industrial complexes, leading to regulatory capture and bad policy - corruption - regardless of the country's name? It logically makes sense that the US having the strongest military in the world, being the most successful, leading capitalism - will be able to do the most damage by bad actors manipulating towards war and violence.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

#87
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic or just extremely naive wishful thinking. Could you provide at least one example of a successful such program?

America.

America is successful only if you consider constant low key domestic conflict and much gnashing of teeth and whataboutism successful. They're powerful worldwide despite all of this.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

#88
post #70

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

Sure! Mind if I ask you how are you going to fund this? > EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health cate and tax authorities. That doesn't even happen for actual EU citizens, why on earth would an EU taxpayer allow for this? > allowed and expected to work in the society or what? are you throwing them back? > Charter city citizenship does not mean access to EU. I cou…

> That doesn't even happen for actual EU citizens, why on earth would an EU taxpayer allow for this?

I am no expert in all of the EU countries, can you give example of an EU country where basic education, basic health care, relatively functioning judicial and police system are not guaranteed by governments?

And why would the taxpayer want to guarantee (different than actual payment) this? Maybe because the other option is literally millions of people crashing one day in to EU uninvited?

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

#89

Why is Turkey in NATO? At this point Their behavior is nothing but antagonistic at best and downright nefarious at worst.

Take a look at the number of Syrian refugees each country hosts, compare it to their population and GDP if you feel like it. Turkey have many problems dealing with its minorities, neighbours, even its own citizens, sure - but on this issue, maybe its time to get off your high horse, before calling any country nefarious. Are we really worse than Spain, worse than France, worse than UK? Why do they have a say in it wit…

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Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

#90
post #86
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get off your frigging high horse. Who are you to judge Erdogan when you consistently produce war criminal presidents.

You understand it is bad actors, along with industrial complexes, leading to regulatory capture and bad policy - corruption - regardless of the country's name? It logically makes sense that the US having the strongest military in the world, being the most successful, leading capitalism - will be able to do the most damage by bad actors manipulating towards war and violence.

So shut the ff up about Erdogan. Its not the fault of Turkish citizens.
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