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Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by utf985 »

Robotbeat wrote: post #17
ericras wrote: post #13

That's not a very good threat. Diversity is Europe's strength and they will be welcome with open arms!

Indeed. It'd be nice to see a coordinated effort to welcome and resettle the refugees. A pro-active program that is a pan-ethnic, almost nationalistic to add these refugees to the EU economic and cultural might, with education on local customs and languages and other help in integration. Call the bluff.

I can't tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic or just extremely naive wishful thinking. Could you provide at least one example of a successful such program?

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by ardit33 »

zwieback wrote: post #21

How do Europeans feel about the Kurds these days? When I was growing up in Germany in the 70s and 80s they weren't super popular but I'm guessing with Turkey turning to fundamentalism the attitudes have changed?

Hard working people, family oriented, mostly (but not all) muslim, they tend to be moderate about religion.... especially compared with the craziness that goes around them....

They got the short stick of the dividing of the area, and their lands were used as a 'loot' to divy up by the great powers...

They ended up as a nation without a country. They have faced great persecution over times, even mass gassing (in Iraq by Sadam)

They have every-right should form a their own country... and they have been a good ally to the US, but Trump is messing it up and just letting Erdogan have free rein the area....

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by sahinabi »

remarkEon wrote: post #5

Why is Turkey in NATO? At this point Their behavior is nothing but antagonistic at best and downright nefarious at worst.

Take a look at the number of Syrian refugees each country hosts, compare it to their population and GDP if you feel like it.

Turkey have many problems dealing with its minorities, neighbours, even its own citizens, sure - but on this issue, maybe its time to get off your high horse, before calling any country nefarious. Are we really worse than Spain, worse than France, worse than UK? Why do they have a say in it without helping the problem in the slightest?

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by throwaway9980 »

utf985 wrote: post #31
Robotbeat wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. It'd be nice to see a coordinated effort to welcome and resettle the refugees. A pro-active program that is a pan-ethnic, almost nationalistic to add these refugees to the EU economic and cultural might, with education on local customs and languages and other help in integration. Call the bluff.

I can't tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic or just extremely naive wishful thinking. Could you provide at least one example of a successful such program?

America.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by treis »

remarkEon wrote: post #22
iddqd wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Turkey got kicked out of NATO on bad terms, who do you think will step in to fill the power vacuum?

What power vacuum? What power projection is Turkey really capable of?

The parent is saying that Turkey will fall into Russia's (or maybe China's) orbit. I'm not sure how accurate that is because Russia backs Assad and Turkey is against them. There'd also be some tension in the Iran/Russia/Turkey triangle.

IMHO, I don't think we should care that much. The middle East's importance is waning and it's been nothing but trouble for 50 years. Better to step back and let others play the game.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by beefield »

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both.

The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows:

- Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so.

- EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health care and tax authorities.

- Everyone moving in is allowed and expected to work in the society.

- All refugees coming to EU are directed to these charter cities.

- Charter city citizenship does not mean access to EU.

I am not saying that this would be a problem-free solution. I am saying that it is extremely important that we start to solve the problems that arise here. Because they are the problems we need to solve to take pressure away from the refugees to flood Europe. They are the problems we need to solve when suddenly there is an environmental catastrophe and there are suddenly a lot of people looking for a new place to live. They are the problems we need to solve to make the coungries still living under bad governments to improve their governance.

And no, most people in the world would absolutely not move immediately to these cities. Most people actually want to live in their homes.

Edit, small changes in looks.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by dev_dull »

brosinante wrote: post #24
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot the /s. Last refugee crisis destroyed any future plans for expansion of the Schengen zone, helped Brexit and propell right wing parties at elections in EU member states and also further distance the southern states from the north as they were left to deal with the crisis alone. Edit: I'm not blaming the refugees, I'm highlighting that if Europe was so united as you suggest we wouldn't be having these issue…

Or, a bunch of wealthy lads looking to get even wealthier teamed up with a bunch of xenophobes and racists with friends in the publishing industry to scam the entire UK. Depends on your point of view I guess.

You think the wealthy lads are pro brexit?

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by remarkEon »

dev_dull wrote: post #26
remarkEon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What power vacuum? What power projection is Turkey really capable of?

Turkey is a huge trading partner to the US and not really a rival. They make the chassis to our next-gen fighter planes, for example. Why toss that aside?

Why toss that aside? I actually didn't know that the chassis for the F-35 is manufactured in Turkey. Do you have a source for this? If this is the case then it seems incredibly shortsighted to source a critical component from half-way around the world - from a country that obviously doesn't like us very much.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by chosenPixel »

remarkEon wrote: post #22
iddqd wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Turkey got kicked out of NATO on bad terms, who do you think will step in to fill the power vacuum?

What power vacuum? What power projection is Turkey really capable of?

It has the second largest army in the NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by delfinom »

beefield wrote: post #36

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

>- EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health care and tax authorities.

So tell me, how does the EU magically drum up money for all of this?

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