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UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by ceejayoz »

bognition wrote: post #48
beefield wrote: post #36

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

So projects as cities then?

Maybe they can put them in Warsaw and Łódź, and have them be "self-governed" by Einwandererräte. You know, for old times' sake.

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Post by remarkEon »

sahinabi wrote: post #33
remarkEon wrote: post #5

Why is Turkey in NATO? At this point Their behavior is nothing but antagonistic at best and downright nefarious at worst.

Take a look at the number of Syrian refugees each country hosts, compare it to their population and GDP if you feel like it. Turkey have many problems dealing with its minorities, neighbours, even its own citizens, sure - but on this issue, maybe its time to get off your high horse, before calling any country nefarious. Are we really worse than Spain, worse than France, worse than UK? Why do they have a say in it wit…

NATO's charter isn't "refugee caretaker of the world". It's a mutual defense pact. I'm not interested in playing word games around who is the most humanitarian country (Turkey would lose that one anyway) - I asked a specific, strategic question about what benefit Turkey adds to the rest of NATO alliance members.

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Post by dextralt »

ericras wrote: post #13

That's not a very good threat. Diversity is Europe's strength and they will be welcome with open arms!

>Diversity is strength

I'd like to point out that it is a notion held by a minuscule % of the population.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/12/in-views-of...

And I believe that the opinion held by majority matters more than the notions held by a minority, however vocal it might be. This is how democracy works, doesn't it?

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Post by unclesams-uncle »

beefield wrote: post #36

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

This sounds like a refugee camp but with extra steps.

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Post by adwww »

chosenPixel wrote: post #39
remarkEon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What power vacuum? What power projection is Turkey really capable of?

It has the second largest army in the NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

Even in a cold war scenario though, I can't imagine that army was ever intended for anything other than defending Turkey and looking after their own interests.

They have successfully played the west in exchange for a few US air bases.

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Post by pmontra »

remarkEon wrote: post #38
dev_dull wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turkey is a huge trading partner to the US and not really a rival. They make the chassis to our next-gen fighter planes, for example. Why toss that aside?

Why toss that aside? I actually didn't know that the chassis for the F-35 is manufactured in Turkey. Do you have a source for this? If this is the case then it seems incredibly shortsighted to source a critical component from half-way around the world - from a country that obviously doesn't like us very much.

https://www.f35.com/global/participation/turkey-industrial-p...

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Post by yalph »

remarkEon wrote: post #5

Why is Turkey in NATO? At this point Their behavior is nothing but antagonistic at best and downright nefarious at worst.

Get off your frigging high horse. Who are you to judge Erdogan when you consistently produce war criminal presidents.

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Post by beefield »

delfinom wrote: post #40
beefield wrote: post #36

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

>- EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health care and tax authorities. So tell me, how does the EU magically drum up money for all of this?

Primary source would be taxes from the charter city citizens. I do not believe that the people moving in would be completely helpless.

Then the possible remainning part of the funding, well, at the moment quite a few European countries are borrowing money with negative interest rates. So I assume they can borrow quite a pile of money before the interedt rates become unbearable. And to be clear, this is in my mind one of the most important if not the most important thing EU should be investing money for its own sake. And EU does not need to give the money to charter cities, mo ey can be loaned as well.

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Post by ListeningPie »

ghostpepper wrote: post #50
sahinabi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a look at the number of Syrian refugees each country hosts, compare it to their population and GDP if you feel like it. Turkey have many problems dealing with its minorities, neighbours, even its own citizens, sure - but on this issue, maybe its time to get off your high horse, before calling any country nefarious. Are we really worse than Spain, worse than France, worse than UK? Why do they have a say in it wit…

What about buying billions of dollars of weapons from Russia? Does that qualify as grounds for expulsion from NATO?

How are buying weapons from Russia grounds for expulsion from Nato?

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Post by ohduran »

beefield wrote: post #36

What EU should immediately do is to start building charter cities. Either on sparsely populated areas within EU or by making long term rental agreements outside EU. Or likely both. The rules of charter cities would be roughly as follows: - Anyone (literally anyone) would be welcome to move to charter city if they just want so. - EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, he…

Sure! Mind if I ask you how are you going to fund this?

> EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health cate and tax authorities.

That doesn't even happen for actual EU citizens, why on earth would an EU taxpayer allow for this?

> allowed and expected to work in the society

or what? are you throwing them back?

> Charter city citizenship does not mean access to EU.

I could use an expert to figure out the difference between this plan and living in any city in Hungary, for example.

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