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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by aasasd »

vezycash wrote: post #252

To app stores esp IOS users and appologists: "He who trades his freedom for safety gets none of them."

Your use (and thorough butchering) of Franklin's quote in this context is especially hilarious because Franklin, in the letter from the Pennsylvania Assembly, was lobbying for Britain to appoint its own governor for Pennsylvania instead of the governor set by the Penn family, the owner of most land in the state. And then to tax the Penn family to fund ongoing conflicts in other colonies. Which proposition made Franklin unpopular in Pennsylvania, so he was soon booted from the Assembly.

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Post by pwinnski »

whatshisface wrote: post #329
sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. That's probably where you lose most of the US audience. One of the biggest differences between American and Chinese culture is that manifest destiny is mostly dead in America, but it isn't in China. Of course America has multinationals jockeying for global power, but that doesn't reflect how the voters think.

You might be getting hung up on the words "manifest destiny," but the belief definitely persists even though the label has fallen out of favor.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by IanSanders »

sho wrote: post #431
IanSanders wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just one question. Yes or no. >Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK Do you mean all Chinese people?

No, just the majority, as I understand it, and as I believe their actions demonstrate. Of course I can't know the inner secrets of a billion minds, but it's my genuine belief that what I wrote is at least mostly in the right direction.

Is majority always right?

Does the majority have complete information on the matter?

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Post by scarface74 »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #449
scarface74 wrote: post #437

Ben Thompson of Stratechery talks about this a lot. Apple always says they want to own the most important pieces of their products but then Tim Cook when he was COO made the decision to be completely beholden to China for their manufacturing. I hope that Apple is seriously trying to diversify their supply chain out of China. It can be done at scale - Samsung moved all of their manufacturing out of Chins.

Of course, Cook is a corporate shill, not an ideologue.

I'm not saying that Cook should diversify manufacturing for moral reasons. I am saying he should do it for purely practical reasons.

But I do believe that a gay CEO who grew up in Alabama really cares about privacy.

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Post by wvenable »

api wrote: post #444
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sympathetic to the Dancing Bunnies Problem [1]. However, when I weigh the societal harm of (A) preventing people who are very dedicated to shooting themselves in the foot from shooting themselves in the foot, versus (B) protesters being unable to share and access important safety information, the choice is clear. [1] https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-dancing-bunnies-problem/

Personally I think the real problem is that the OS is fundamentally broken. All current OSes are fundamentally broken from a security point of view because they all pre-date the era when security was such a concern and are designed to run only de-facto trusted code. All the security we have including all iOS's security is a bolt-on afterthought. A modern security and privacy conscious OS would be "principle of least…

Modern OSes are designed to prevent users from attacking other users (or the system) with malicious code. They are not designed to protect the user from malicious code they themselves install.

> We do have something like that. It's called a web browser. A browser is a small VM that runs utterly untrusted code relatively safely. In many cases it's code from the sketchiest ad networks and other hellholes imaginable.

Given how many issues there are with ad tracking, fingerprinting, and other privacy related issues, I don't feel the web browser is particularly safer than an iOS app. What can an iOS app really do that a browser app cannot at this point?

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Post by bhauer »

jbattle wrote: post #377
whatshisface wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. That's probably where you lose most of the US audience. One of the biggest differences between American and Chinese culture is that manifest destiny is mostly dead in America, but it isn't in China. Of course America has multinationals jockeying for global power, but that doesn't reflect how the voters think.

Go read the comment section on Breitbart or Fox or Red State. American Exceptionalism is still gospel truth for ~half the country

True, but I think GP is arguing that in America, if there was a state that wanted to secede, there would be a pretty lively debate about the idea; it would not be a matter with a 90% opposition consensus as has been conjectured for the Chinese people with respect to Hong Kong.

I can say as one data point if Alabama wanted to secede, I would probably be indifferent. I would likely be of the mind: "If that's what they want, fine."

Edit: Also, a bit of a distinction that undercuts the premise of Hong Kong being similar to a US state secession: We've not onboarded any new states as recently as Hong Kong being reunified (to a limited degree) with China. We have used Alabama in this thread, but perhaps a better metaphor is Guam wanting to be free of American entanglements. Again, I would be indifferent.

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Post by cowbird »

Not my comment, but definitely my thought. I couldn't agree more!

this makes me sad.... ppl think when China opened borders, we can export democracy and help make the Chinese government more liberal and democratic. Decades later, it appears to be the other way around. The west has raised a monster, instead of embracing more democratic values, it cracks down human rights, sets up re-education camps, exploits minorities, forces foreign companies to comply & self-censored, amped up surveillance and censorships while their most of its citizens couldn't care less as long as they are well-off..... Now, the west experiences Chinese export censorship & One China policy thru corporations, sports, cultures, entertainment etc because we all depend on China and they hold the life chord of many businesses and governments. It feels like a Chinese dystopia future isn't far off

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