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Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
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#372Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…
> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc.
Huh? You just described maybe 1 in 10 Americans. We genuinely do not care about "manifest destiny" and many of us don't put much value in being American either. I'm not even sure what you mean by "skin in the game"
> Let's say one day some stupid little state that you don't care about and vaguely resent decides it wants to secede, wants all these rights others don't have, wants to be able to marry its cousins or make nukes at home or whatever. Alabama, go with them. Alabama wants to secede and they have some demonstrations. You think: "hahahaha no"
But Hong Kong doesn't want to secede. They want to keep the freedoms they've had for decades and prevent an oppressive government from restricting those freedoms. Your example is entirely different and opposite sides of the spectrum.
A more apt example would be the Occupy protests that happened throughout the western world close to a decade ago. Those were about returning the status quo to what it was before greed took it too far from the middle class. Looking back, it was highly ineffective. But those were months-long protests that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people took part in and for the most part, every day citizens who were not taking part in the protests supported them (or were at least indifferent). Tools were built to help these protesters find where to go and where to avoid (as with all large scale protests) and they were never an issue.
Heck, one of the most widely used apps in the US is Waze and one of the primary appeals of it is the crowd sourced police location data. Law enforcement has complained about it, but no actions have been taken against it and no one seems to have any real issue with it.
Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
#373Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…
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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
#374Is it possible for the average user to install this outside of the app store? Or do you need a rooted phone for that?
Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well the same can be said about human rights, they only care about it when it affects their business model in a positive way. if it cost them money they are very willing to turn their backs on it. privacy is not possible in a world where governments are free to suppress the speech and will of the people. any company claiming otherwise simply sees their bottom line as more important than people, whether they are emplo…
Boycott Apple for sucking up to China. Google products are at least a year ahead now anyways and Google actually left China altogether at one point.
Yep, but they aren't saints: Project Dragonfly.
Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
#376This is a vexing problem. It seems that many here would want Apply to defy China. This will result in Apple's expulsion from China/HK. Those users will then move to other phone mfgs/services providers, with higher probability that it will be Chinese, thereby granting the PRC even more power over HK'ers. Contrarily is the "seat at the table" approach. Apple could comply with China, while continually introducing featur…
I agree with you that it is more complicated than just leaving or not. Plus, Apple is currently dependent on Chinese manufacturing (a problem of Apples own making for sure). I would love to know what the conversations are between Apple and China right now. IMO, Apple has to be working towards removing their dependence on Chinese manufacturing, if for nothing else for business risk mitigation.
Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
#377Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…
> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. That's probably where you lose most of the US audience. One of the biggest differences between American and Chinese culture is that manifest destiny is mostly dead in America, but it isn't in China. Of course America has multinationals jockeying for global power, but that doesn't reflect how the voters think.
Go read the comment section on Breitbart or Fox or Red State. American Exceptionalism is still gospel truth for ~half the country
Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
#378Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…
Your characterisation of the Chinese public does not make it seem more sympathetic, quite the reverse: it makes them seem petty and spiteful, lashing out at a population which is better educated and more prosperous than them, one unwilling to suffer under the yoke of the CCP as the majority have been indoctrinated to do.
Why not let Hong Kong be independent? What moral claim does mainland China have to the territory over the people who live there? If China is so superior and resents Hong Kong then they are better off without it.
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#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. That's probably where you lose most of the US audience. One of the biggest differences between American and Chinese culture is that manifest destiny is mostly dead in America, but it isn't in China. Of course America has multinationals jockeying for global power, but that doesn't reflect how the voters think.
Americans still think of themselves as the best in the world. If that is not manifest destiny, then what is it?
From Wikipedia,
>Manifest destiny was a widely held belief in the 19th century United States that its settlers were destined to expand across North America.
The average American does not think that America should expand any further throughout the world, nor do they think that America has an irresistible duty to remake the world in its image. The theme of "the special virtues of the American people and their institutions" is only one part of the definition of manifest destiny.
Also, if you've ever read an HN thread on public mass transit, I think there is evidence against the claim that Americans think that all of their institutions are the best in the world.
Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
#380Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…
This is not an argument in good faith. Alabama has no precedence of self governance, and that precedence is not being actively threatened by the US government. The thought that HK protesters (or Alabamians) just want to “marry their cousins or something” is icing on the cake. Just because some people think it is so does not make it so.
Oh come on I was trying to illustrate a feeling, not make a watertight legal argument.
If you want to talk about precedent - how about polygamy in Utah? There was a long precedent of that. Substitute that if you like. I was trying to convey a feeling.