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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Why does this have to be an app in the App store? I wonder what APIs they are using that can't be replaced by something that will work in the browser.

Browser apps can't penetrate the Great China Firewall as China can simply ban the domain

Hong Kong internet is unfiltered. Actually the easiest way to have non stop pure internet in mainland China is to have a HK prepaid sim card.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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post #324

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>And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. Make the app a Web App and visit it in Safari. Apple has banned it being notarized and distributed from their App Store but iPhones still have access to the conventional web which Apple has no control over.

I wonder whether Hong Kong is behind the great firewall or not. Specifically, whether HK is behind it but the firewall is transparent for HK requests.

China has state run Telecom companies providing all the eyeball access, so it's relatively straightforward to ensure outside connectivity goes through the great firewall.

Hong Kong has multiple private companies providing eyeball access. It would be far more difficult for the Chinese government to get all of their compliance. If they just wanted to get traffic information, it would be far easier to just collect a statistical sampling collected from flows data on core routers for general info or to monitor specific IP's using rulesets without the massive undertaking needed for always on firewall capabilities on every single packet.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

Why would I want to stop people living somewhere else from exercising their right to self-determination?

Go Alabama.

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> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. That's probably where you lose most of the US audience. One of the biggest differences between American and Chinese culture is that manifest destiny is mostly dead in America, but it isn't in China. Of course America has multinationals jockeying for global power, but that doesn't reflect how the voters think.

Go read the comment section on Breitbart or Fox or Red State. American Exceptionalism is still gospel truth for ~half the country

American exceptionalism isn't the same thing as manifest destiny. Republicans might be patriotic but most do not support wars of conquest or global expansionism. In fact, the "America first" slogan that recently helped win an election has been attacked as isolationist.

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Thank you for the context, but I find it hard to believe that the HK Chief Executive was not influenced by or seeking favor with China when making the law. Also, this seems to ignore the question of Taiwan's sovereign status and assume they are part of China. Speaking more factually, China has used unrelated charges to arrest and imprison political dissidents for years now. This is a known phenomenon, and likely the…

> but I find it hard to believe that the HK Chief Executive was not influenced by or seeking favor with China when making the law. > The promise not to use the law for political crimes is worthless knowing that history. That fear is certainly reasonable. But the HK Chief Executive has officially announced the withdrawal of the law about a month ago. How do you justify the continuing violence and destruction since the…

From Wikipedia: "Lam suspended the extradition bill on 15 June and declared the bill "dead" on 9 July, but fell short of a promise to withdraw it until 4 September. However, she refused to concede to any of the other four demands, namely an independent inquiry on police brutality, the release of arrested protesters, a complete retraction of the official characterisation of the protests as "riots", and her resignation along with the introduction of universal suffrage for election of the Legislative Council and the Chief Executive."

How do you justify continuing violence and destruction by "law" enforcers?

Seriously though, I think that protests against extradiction law transformed into protest against China's illegal claim over Hong Kong.

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I recall something similar happening once. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust Something of a pattern over history of some technology firms really enjoying colluding with totalitarian states in order to facilitate mass human rights abuses. It's highly profitable for one thing and for another they know they will never be held accountable. At most issue a press release decades from now saying that it is…

I think it's far more agnostic than that.

As long as an entity has enough money and a wish, there will be someone willing to grant it.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. That's probably where you lose most of the US audience. One of the biggest differences between American and Chinese culture is that manifest destiny is mostly dead in America, but it isn't in China. Of course America has multinationals jockeying for global power, but that doesn't reflect how the voters think.

Americans still think of themselves as the best in the world. If that is not manifest destiny, then what is it?

I think maybe not everyone outside the US thinks of "manifest destiny" the same way? In the US we learned "Manifest Destiny" as a part of US history, and very specific time in our country's history. It's the name of a time period, not just someone thinking about "manifest destiny".

(at least that's the feeling I get from reading the comments here, I could be wrong, just hoping to clarify)

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Apple's walled garden is a double-edged sword.

If Apple would allow users to easily* sideload applications like Android, protesters can easily bypass these types of bans.

*telling someone to install Xcode or Cydia Impactor and resigning a certificate every 7 days is too much for the average user

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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post #374

Is it possible for the average user to install this outside of the app store? Or do you need a rooted phone for that?

If the code is open source one could compile it and run it directly on their device. But they would need a Mac to build the code on Xcode.
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