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Post by ru999gol »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #297

And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

In principle code signing is a good idea, this way Apple can ensure an improved security standard over their competition.

But the downside is of course that Apple is in control, and like any corporation it will do things with that power that are unethical, immoral, anti-competitive, anti-consumer, etc. to the fullest possible imaginable degree.

Its like when you buy a DRM protected piece of content and that company revokes access in the future. Its entirely predictable and preventable.

Customers buy DRM content all the time and they buy Apple products instead of phones that give you freedom. Ignorance is not an excuse, I won't blame Apple, they aren't people, they just do what is natural in all corporations, I blame people/consumers, they deserve every single last bit of totalitarianism that is coming their way.

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Post by mattnewton »

UIZealot wrote: post #303
dmvinson wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the context, but I find it hard to believe that the HK Chief Executive was not influenced by or seeking favor with China when making the law. Also, this seems to ignore the question of Taiwan's sovereign status and assume they are part of China. Speaking more factually, China has used unrelated charges to arrest and imprison political dissidents for years now. This is a known phenomenon, and likely the…

> but I find it hard to believe that the HK Chief Executive was not influenced by or seeking favor with China when making the law. > The promise not to use the law for political crimes is worthless knowing that history. That fear is certainly reasonable. But the HK Chief Executive has officially announced the withdrawal of the law about a month ago. How do you justify the continuing violence and destruction since the…

My understanding is the existing system didn’t offer them better options than taking to the streets, but the hope is that fair elections would choose representatives that wouldn’t allow something like this to happen again. Otherwise they all go home and a similar law is proposed again in a new form, and they would have to reorganize.

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Post by idlewords »

Larrikin wrote: post #214
idlewords wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of people livestreaming all the protests, including setups where you can watch multiple streams on a page. One of the streamers is a hero who rolls up to protests in a wheelchair. There's also lots and lots of long-form protest footage available, but you need a Chinese speaker to help you Google your way to it.

Can you post some examples or are you keeping them secret on purpose?

I don't want to post my own raw video because I don't want to get anyone in trouble. Illegal assembly carries a potential 5 year sentence.

I don't speak Chinese or have links handy but it is not hard to find with some help from a native speaker. Dig around LiHKG.

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Post by s_dev »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #297

And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

>And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround.

Make the app a Web App and visit it in Safari.

Apple has banned it being notarized and distributed from their App Store but iPhones still have access to the conventional web which Apple has no control over.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

kalleboo wrote: post #217
Illniyar wrote: post #147

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Thats's nonsense. You can install any app you want and google has no way of deleting it from your phone. You can root your phone or install completely different OSes. It may not be ideal but it will definitely aid you in circumventing the government.

> google has no way of deleting it from your phone Is there any reason to believe that Google's "remote application removal feature" is limited to working on Market apps and not any arbitrary bundle ID? https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2010/06/exercising...

At worst, you can install an application firewall on any Android phone to block all connections to Google.

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Post by snagglegaggle »

whoevercares wrote: post #289
snagglegaggle wrote: post #260

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Allowing the rise of authoritarianism would seem like a complicated and super risky move considering the impact to lower class people

I agree with your point in its final form. Unfortunately it doesn’t work at the moment since you at least need to convince some tens of millions Chinese people who have been lifted from poverty under CCP during past 30 years, or you have to wait until Chinese government make things much worse. Before that, some sanction move from western might be viewed as political coercion from mainland Chinese people’s perspective…

Wait, are you trying to say China is more powerful than the US? Why give in to appeasement? I don't really care if their feelings are hurt.

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Post by joelx »

Shivetya wrote: post #211
kypro wrote: post #145

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Apple only cares about privacy because it's a threat to Google and Facebook's business model. They don't care about privacy, they only care about "caring about privacy" when it is good for their business.

Well the same can be said about human rights, they only care about it when it affects their business model in a positive way. if it cost them money they are very willing to turn their backs on it. privacy is not possible in a world where governments are free to suppress the speech and will of the people. any company claiming otherwise simply sees their bottom line as more important than people, whether they are emplo…

Boycott Apple for sucking up to China. Google products are at least a year ahead now anyways and Google actually left China altogether at one point.

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Post by whatshisface »

sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

>You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc.

That's probably where you lose most of the US audience. One of the biggest differences between American and Chinese culture is that manifest destiny is mostly dead in America, but it isn't in China. Of course America has multinationals jockeying for global power, but that doesn't reflect how the voters think.

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Post by idlewords »

sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

You're ascribing motives to the Hong Kong protesters that they don't have. This is not a separatist movement, even though the Chinese government insists on characterizing it as such.

Public opinion surveys in Hong Kong show the overwhelming majority of respondents aren't asking for independence. The five demands that are the crux of the current protests don't involve independence. They center on China holding up its end of the "One Country, Two Systems" arrangement by allowing genuine democratic elections in Hong Kong, as guaranteed to them under the Basic Law.

The fact that Chinese authorities are lying to their own people about the nature of the protests in Hong Kong is significant. They are terrified of 'contagion'. But since we're discussing this on an American site, we can state the plain facts of the matter, too.

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