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Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by aasasd »

michaelt wrote: post #176
blue_devil wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is simply crossing a border a "reasonable" search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment? Is there a legal precedent for that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception Since the first border search statute was enacted in 1789, customs officials have essentially been authorised to search anything crossing the border, without warrant. It was approved by the first US congress, which counted James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington and John Adams among its members. The original target was ships that might be carrying tax…

> Warrantless border searches are literally older than the fourth amendment

That's not an argument for warrantless searches, though. A thing that's regulated is obviously older than the regulation. Killings are older than “thou shalt not kill.”

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Post by laheyBro »

epistasis wrote: post #37
noident wrote: post #18

If you want to keep your phone secure, enable a long passcode, turn on full device encryption, and turn it off. If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device. If you're not a US citizen or don't want to be harrassed by customs, bring a burner phone. Tools like Cellebrite can and do take advantage of security vulnerabilities. Turning off pair locking lulls users into a…

> If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device. There's an important divide between what customs is supposed to do, and what they might actually do in practice. Going through customs means putting yourself at the whims of people that you do not control. If you're a white male, there's perhaps less of a chance that a bad employee will feel they can take advantage of yo…

>If you're a white male, there's perhaps less of a chance that a bad employee will feel they can take advantage of you, but there's still the chance.

You have no basis for this claim at all. You should have stopped at your first point.

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Post by Keverw »

kyboren wrote: post #193
Keverw wrote: post #128

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Yeah, good point on suing, I know I've heard suing the feds is a whole other ordeal than suing states or political subdivisions such as cities under the state. For the states/cities, it's a section 1983 lawsuit, while the feds they refer to it as a Bivens action. Sadly though people can't afford that, but I know some lawyers will take a cut if you win.... but some lawyers don't even want to help because they want to…

> Also, read stories of them saying you have no rights to an attorney or even to film them since they don't technically consider you in the US. You are in some limbo between countries. An entirely different ballgame than a traffic stop. But some of that stuff might just be some misconception, some they can lie to you but you can't lie to them. I have had CBP officers tell me that I have no right remain silent. I have…

Interesting, I know I seen on cruise sites apparently they stopped using the paper version at some ports. I think it's odd they want to know all the countries you visited in the past, like if you took a long trip that'd be a lot to remember and repeat off. I think they just want to know to profile and stereotype things more though based on where you went.

I know I seen there's world cruises for about 6 months, would be a dream for sure to be able to go on! Probably a lot of retired people or business owners.

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Post by vinay427 »

chacha2 wrote: post #151
vinay427 wrote: post #138

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Not the freedom I mean. I would say that people with lower incomes have better lives in other Western countries, but that's not the freedom from the government (at least on paper but probably in practice as well) that I meant.

It's funny how when discussing freedom with an American they'll always insist the only measure that's really important is the one they excel in.

Please don't be so presumptuous. First of all, I live in Europe. Second, I literally said that I think (at least) people with lower incomes have better lives in other Western countries. I really do mean freedom in the literal legal sense, and I don't think this is an important metric.

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Post by vinay427 »

BigJ1211 wrote: post #145
vinay427 wrote: post #122

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It's still, at least on paper, freer than many/most other Western countries in most ways AFAIK. I agree that this is a very absurd counterexample, however.

That would really depend on how you define freedom, if you look at it theoratically like "free to do whatever you want". Then maybe , if you look at it from the perspective of "an individual can garner freedoms through work" they are far more likely to do that in most other western countries. You are far more likely to not have to worry about things like healthcare in european countries than you are in the US for exa…

> That would really depend on how you define freedom, if you look at it theoratically like "free to do whatever you want". Then maybe

That really is all I meant by my comment, and I hoped to make it clear that I don't think this is a worthwhile positive metric. I guess I didn't communicate that well enough because a few other people seemed to follow this line of reasoning as well...

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Post by icebraining »

Keverw wrote: post #128
kyboren wrote: post #112

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I also have first hand experience as a US citizen refusing to answer any questions each of the ~couple dozen times in the past half decade or so I have crossed the US border. In my experience, not only should you decline to answer any questions, you should demand to have an attorney present for any questioning. This should end the interrogation fishing expedition, though in my experience you need to repeat yourself 3…

Yeah, good point on suing, I know I've heard suing the feds is a whole other ordeal than suing states or political subdivisions such as cities under the state. For the states/cities, it's a section 1983 lawsuit, while the feds they refer to it as a Bivens action. Sadly though people can't afford that, but I know some lawyers will take a cut if you win.... but some lawyers don't even want to help because they want to…

> The private prisons are contractually guaranteed a minimum number of inmates for example, and you can even buy stocks in them. So then if you are a shareholder, I guess more crime is than in your financial interest so the prisons you own a small piece keeps making money.

I don't think so. Private prisons hold less than 10% of total inmates, so there's no way they'll be short even if suddenly the US started to jail half the people it does now.

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Post by mnw21cam »

FabHK wrote: post #168
jw1224 wrote: post #125

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Can you give a few examples of ways in which a US citizen is more free than I, a UK citizen, am?

* In the USA, you are free to deny the holocaust. In Germany and the UK, you are not. * In the USA, if you're a health insurer, you are free to reject customers you don't like. In Europe, you're not. (Those rejected customers, in turn, are free to cover their own health expenses or die - their free choice). * In the USA, you're free to buy guns. In Europe, you're not. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=no+way+to+prevent+this+…

In the UK, you are free to cross the road wherever you want (except the motorway). In the USA, in many states, you can't. Which still boggles my mind.

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Post by lolc »

draugadrotten wrote: post #142
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #101

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It's worse than that in some cases. I used to work for a big 4 consulting firm and they had some horror stories about border device searches. The company policy for travel outside the EU was simple... Your own laptop would go into a server room and become a remote desktop host, you'd be given a blank laptop. When you got to your destination safely you'd call up IT who'd tell you where to download the VPN software and…

Why did the big 4 consulting firm think that it was so important to hide the laptop data from the government during the border search?

Because otherwise any information on the laptop would have to be considered compromised.

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Post by calcifer »

0ld wrote: post #92
adventured wrote: post #73

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The hypocrisy you're referring to applies to practically every liberal nation you can name. You're merely selectively, conveniently focusing on the US and narrowly focusing on this issue while ignoring other types of very common border restrictions in "free" countries that like to lecture on human rights. Shall we discuss border security and immigration (which is a type of border security restriction) policies of Can…

I've been crossing the EU border (as a non-EU national) regularly (like once in 1-2 months) since around 15 years. And I've never ever seen anything even remotely resembling the pure insanity that appear to be going on on the US border according to the comments here. I really hope I will never have to go the US to experience that on myself

Hear hear. No EU border agent ever asked if I had a phone, let alone search it.

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Post by grecy »

Keverw wrote: post #119
sneak wrote: post #98

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Yes, for several years I declined to answer any of their rude and invasive questions, on about a dozen border crossings.

Interesting. Wonder if they target you for some reason? but I think some questions are just following a script, so it might seem invasive but they do this all day. My dream is if ever got rich from tech or won the lottery, is to travel full time. By plane, train, cruise ship and then buy an RV to explore more of the US. I think RVs are super cool but feel they are a bit outdated compared to modern cars. So hoping by…

> My dream is if ever got rich from tech or won the lottery, is to travel full time.....But I feel like living an alternative lifestyle would subject me to harassment at some point

I quit my job and spent 2 years driving from AK to Argentina, then again to spend 3 years driving around Africa. I'm now a full-time nomad, and doing everything I can to never sit at a desk again (freelance writing, photography, published books, etc.)

I certainly get some good interactions at "first world" borders, but nothing really bad. When I drove into the US on my way to Argentina it was obvious the officer simply didn't believe I was going to drive into Mexico. Even with the map on my hood [1].

Recently I drove into the US with my passport full of visas from 35 different African countries (even Sudan, Congo, Nigeria, etc.). The border guard flipped through it and said "Wait, WHAT do you do?".. utterly confused. I told the whole story, showed him the new map on my hood and again he was just confused. Friendly, but confused.

I was detained once at the border coming in by bus from Canada... the border guard was not convinced I was not going to stay. After 5 hours they let me speak and I mentioned I had a ticket out of the country (flying out of LAX like a week later).. when I showed the ticket the officer said "Where's Sydney?"

It's all good.

[1] https://www.instagram.com/p/ByyD2J_lfmE/ [2] https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw4h0X_Fq_G/

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