What happens if all the western world stands up to China?
Is a China + Russia vs. "the west" WWIII off the table? (as a possibility, not a suggestion)
Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens
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Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens
#82What happens if all the western world stands up to China?
Is a China + Russia vs. "the west" WWIII off the table? (as a possibility, not a suggestion)
I don’t see much of the point of WWIII. What assets would they be looking to take by military force from western nations? Oil fields? Cities? Seems like this is more of an economic war. Even if you could invade the US mainland for instance, what’s the point? More land, more problems, plus everybody has a gun.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Publicly going after a European capital? A Facebook post from someone on the Embassy staff. >Publicly denouncing the NBA? From what I've seen, an article in a state run paper. The embassy event is strange, but I'm pretty sure they routinely publish similar articles in their paper. I think something is causing the Western media to cover the recent cases in detail, and they write the articles to imply the message came…
> From what I've seen, an article in a state run paper Plus "a statement published on [CCTV Sports'] Sina Weibo account on Tuesday" and the cancellation of NBA's China Games' broadcast [1]. Later, "Geng Shuang, a spokesman for its Foreign Ministry...said in a regular news briefing Tuesday that the NBA 'knows clearly what to say and what to do'" [2]. Spinning this as not coming from Xi's administration is absurd. [1]…
>Spinning this as not coming from Xi's administration is absurd.
From the WSJ article, China has an apology playbook as incidents like this aren't rare. This isn't causing a political crisis like the poster said, and the practice predates Xi's reign.
Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens
#84It helps to know about the resurgence in Tianxia[1] ideology in China. It's vaguely analogous to the old American concept of Manifest Destiny, but with, of course, a much longer history and far greater scope. What it basically comes down to is that in the pre-Westphalian era the Chinese world view was that China had sovereignty over everything under heaven. The Great Game dealt that world view a pretty harsh blow, bu…
For an accessible and convincing (albeit controversial) presentation of this concept, see the movie Hero:
Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens
#85Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens
#86It helps to know about the resurgence in Tianxia[1] ideology in China. It's vaguely analogous to the old American concept of Manifest Destiny, but with, of course, a much longer history and far greater scope. What it basically comes down to is that in the pre-Westphalian era the Chinese world view was that China had sovereignty over everything under heaven. The Great Game dealt that world view a pretty harsh blow, bu…
Not so sure the modern Chinese generally still clings to that.. probably more 自强 than 天下 (Tianxia) For the past 50 years the global cultural viewpoint is largely Western (used loosely here)... it would be not practical to think that will always be the case, or has been the case for much of human history. Using an easy to digest example of "individual freedom and unbridled freedom of expression" vs "know your place an…
And where could an English-speaking Westerner learn more about "自强"?
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's like a weird Chinese version of the White Man's Burden. They were "uncivilized" once upon a time, so now they deserve occupation.
Just like native Americans, except there is no sufficiently strong military power to bake and support "liberating" movement within US, so they just sit tight in reservations and nobody wants to "rescue" them.
Liberate and rescue them from what? They live on their own land and decide, to some degree, their own law. At the same time, they have the rights of full citizens.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is a China + Russia vs. "the west" WWIII off the table? (as a possibility, not a suggestion)
I don’t see much of the point of WWIII. What assets would they be looking to take by military force from western nations? Oil fields? Cities? Seems like this is more of an economic war. Even if you could invade the US mainland for instance, what’s the point? More land, more problems, plus everybody has a gun.
plus everybody has a gun
But we keep hearing the chant, "not for long!"
Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens
#89Good for Prague. We need more European countries/cities standing up to China.
it's not country, heck not even city, it's just new Prague mayor one year in office without experiences who did pretty much nothing first year and he is confused thinking he is minister of foreign affairs instead of solving daily issues of inhabitants of Prague like main square flooded with drug dealers, illegal old car replicas driving all around city center, electric scooters illegally driving on sidewalks... not I guess resolving these things would not praise his ego in media
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#90Why does China care about municipal politics of a foreign city? On the other hand, I can't sympathise with the Tibet supporters either. The issue is not as straightforward as many Westerners believe[1]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-...
by this metric Taiwan must be third world country, they had same starting position after WW2 as China and look how they made it without glorious CCP...
same goes for Tibet, you think without China they would stay in same place? it's like those people from post communists countries feeling nostalgia about communists and what everything they built forgetting what was built in non Communist countries, you know life goes on with it without Communist party, without usually goes better