Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens • Hacker News Board

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:45 AM UTC

bitL wrote: post #28

SllX wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of China’s exports are low value manufactured goods which can be made elsewhere. There’s a lot more countries in the world than there are Chinas, even if your worldview counts both of them.

That used to be the case; now the new Silicon Valley for producing anything is in Shenzhen with crazy innovation (kinda like what Japan used to be in the 80s). You can set up your own goods production there in minutes and in all kinds of quality as your budget allows. A regular Chinese now matches a regular American in quality of life as measured by typical economical metrics (adjusted for purchase parity, not in nom…

> A regular Chinese now matches a regular American in quality of life as measured by typical economical metrics (adjusted for purchase parity, not in nominal value).

No. China’s per capita GDP adjusted for purchasing power parity is still under US$17K. Even with perfectly flat income distribution that would be around half of US median personal income. Realistically, the gap is much more than 2×.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by Linq123 » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:59 AM UTC

alwaysdoit wrote: post #22

gridlockd wrote: post #18

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What does the feudal past of Tibet have to do with anything? Are the "Free Tibet" people covertly arguing for a return to feudalism?

It's like a weird Chinese version of the White Man's Burden. They were "uncivilized" once upon a time, so now they deserve occupation.

Just like native Americans, except there is no sufficiently strong military power to bake and support "liberating" movement within US, so they just sit tight in reservations and nobody wants to "rescue" them.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by xwdv » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:02 AM UTC

What happens if all the western world stands up to China?

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by datapunk » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:17 AM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #73

What happens if all the western world stands up to China?

Mass of tariffs.

Sanctions on travel of key foreign citizens

To the extreme, nationalization of foreign owned assets

Economic disaster assuredly.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by mantap » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:18 AM UTC

flukus wrote: post #11

toxik wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess they’d need Wikipedia and the early Internet culture to know about the Streisand effect. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

You'd think Winnie the Poo would know this by now.

It's no surprise, he is a bear of very little brain.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by boomboomsubban » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:20 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #32

It feels like Hong Kong has spurred a political crisis in Beijing. Publicly denouncing the NBA? Publicly going after a European capital? It would be one thing to do this behind closed doors. But the hamhandedness of it all resembles flailing more than a coherent strategy. Is there a domestic nationalistic PR strategy this is playing into?

>Publicly going after a European capital?

A Facebook post from someone on the Embassy staff.

>Publicly denouncing the NBA?

From what I've seen, an article in a state run paper.

The embassy event is strange, but I'm pretty sure they routinely publish similar articles in their paper.

I think something is causing the Western media to cover the recent cases in detail, and they write the articles to imply the message came from Chinese leaders.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:25 AM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #76

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #32

It feels like Hong Kong has spurred a political crisis in Beijing. Publicly denouncing the NBA? Publicly going after a European capital? It would be one thing to do this behind closed doors. But the hamhandedness of it all resembles flailing more than a coherent strategy. Is there a domestic nationalistic PR strategy this is playing into?

>Publicly going after a European capital? A Facebook post from someone on the Embassy staff. >Publicly denouncing the NBA? From what I've seen, an article in a state run paper. The embassy event is strange, but I'm pretty sure they routinely publish similar articles in their paper. I think something is causing the Western media to cover the recent cases in detail, and they write the articles to imply the message came…

> From what I've seen, an article in a state run paper

Plus "a statement published on [CCTV Sports'] Sina Weibo account on Tuesday" and the cancellation of NBA's China Games' broadcast [1].

Later, "Geng Shuang, a spokesman for its Foreign Ministry...said in a regular news briefing Tuesday that the NBA 'knows clearly what to say and what to do'" [2].

Spinning this as not coming from Xi's administration is absurd.

[1] https://www.scmp.com/sport/basketball/article/3031997/cctv-p...

[2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-has-an-apology-playbook-t...

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by ericd » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:30 AM UTC

bitL wrote: post #25

gridlockd wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China is either the world’s 1st or 2nd largest economy, depending on how you measure it So what? Its exports account for only ~13%. According to the same data, Belgium is 2.4%. I've never even heard of anything "Made in Belgium".

Beer

And not just any beer, but those amazing abbey ales.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by umeshunni » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:49 AM UTC

yumraj wrote: post #52

Wow, a city leadership has more balls than most countries combined. Respect!!!!!!!

City leaderships have nothing to lose and can virtue signal all they want.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by umeshunni » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:53 AM UTC

mcguire wrote: post #66

bitL wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That used to be the case; now the new Silicon Valley for producing anything is in Shenzhen with crazy innovation (kinda like what Japan used to be in the 80s). You can set up your own goods production there in minutes and in all kinds of quality as your budget allows. A regular Chinese now matches a regular American in quality of life as measured by typical economical metrics (adjusted for purchase parity, not in nom…

I was with you until " A regular Chinese now matches a regular American in quality of life as measured by typical economical metrics (adjusted for purchase parity, not in nominal value). " A regular Chinese in Shenzhen, maybe. I'm not sure about someone from the part of China that isn't on the coast or Beijing.

There are 300M+ urban Chinese that now have a standard of living comparable those of their Western counterparts. There are 800M+ Chinese people living in relative poverty in rural areas that bring the average and median quality of life metrics down.