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Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by gruez »

liuliu wrote: post #17
nrp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quebec is not the best example. There have been two referendums on this, the second of which was extremely close to passing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_sovereignty_movement The Supreme Court of Canada went on to confirm that a referendum is a legal method for Quebec to initiate secession: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_Re_Secession_of_Queb...

True. It is just hard to rewrite nation borders once it is set and done for a country of China's size. Realistically, the West probably hope of USSR type of breakdown. To me, that is extremely unlikely given the desire of the Chinese people to remain as a united group.

>True. It is just hard to rewrite nation borders once it is set and done for a country of China's size

Can you expand on that? In particular, how that justifies governing those people against their will.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by alwaysdoit »

gridlockd wrote: post #18
calculuscrayon wrote: post #13

Why does China care about municipal politics of a foreign city? On the other hand, I can't sympathise with the Tibet supporters either. The issue is not as straightforward as many Westerners believe[1]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-...

What does the feudal past of Tibet have to do with anything? Are the "Free Tibet" people covertly arguing for a return to feudalism?

It's like a weird Chinese version of the White Man's Burden. They were "uncivilized" once upon a time, so now they deserve occupation.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by gridlockd »

liuliu wrote: post #17
nrp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quebec is not the best example. There have been two referendums on this, the second of which was extremely close to passing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_sovereignty_movement The Supreme Court of Canada went on to confirm that a referendum is a legal method for Quebec to initiate secession: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_Re_Secession_of_Queb...

True. It is just hard to rewrite nation borders once it is set and done for a country of China's size. Realistically, the West probably hope of USSR type of breakdown. To me, that is extremely unlikely given the desire of the Chinese people to remain as a united group.

> ...the desire of the Chinese people to remain as a united group.

You must be talking about the Han people, certainly not the Tibetans or the Uighurs. Those clearly have separatist ambitions, but they don't have the power and the support to make it happen.

As for Taiwan, Hong Kong or Macau - none of these want to be united politically with the PRC either, even though they are mostly Han.

A soviet-style political breakdown could be the best thing to happen to the people of the PRC, considering that those smaller Chinese countries are very successful.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by snagglegaggle »

alwaysdoit wrote: post #22
gridlockd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the feudal past of Tibet have to do with anything? Are the "Free Tibet" people covertly arguing for a return to feudalism?

It's like a weird Chinese version of the White Man's Burden. They were "uncivilized" once upon a time, so now they deserve occupation.

The yellow man's burden is alive and well in Africa...

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by bitL »

gridlockd wrote: post #16
melling wrote: post #7

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China is either the world’s 1st or 2nd largest economy, depending on how you measure it: https://www.thebalance.com/world-s-largest-economy-3306044 https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-worlds-largest-expor... I think people are slow to realize their new position in the world. When US and Europe shipped all that manufacturing to China, it created this problem.

> China is either the world’s 1st or 2nd largest economy, depending on how you measure it So what? Its exports account for only ~13%. According to the same data, Belgium is 2.4%. I've never even heard of anything "Made in Belgium".

Beer

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by sachdevap »

liuliu wrote: post #20
hjklhlkjh wrote: post #19

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Westerner here. I'd settle for allowing Muslims to build nice minarets on mosques in XJ without getting jailed, and for Hong Kongers to be able to choose who leads them (really choose: not from a list of candidates preselected by the Party) until 2047. The motivation? A belief that humans are entitled to at least a modicum of political self-determination.

True. But the topic here is "One-China" policy.

The "One-China" policy is way beyond just geographical. It has very strong cultural ambitions too. You cannot talk of the geographical policies in isolation.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by bitL »

SllX wrote: post #14
melling wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is either the world’s 1st or 2nd largest economy, depending on how you measure it: https://www.thebalance.com/world-s-largest-economy-3306044 https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-worlds-largest-expor... I think people are slow to realize their new position in the world. When US and Europe shipped all that manufacturing to China, it created this problem.

Most of China’s exports are low value manufactured goods which can be made elsewhere. There’s a lot more countries in the world than there are Chinas, even if your worldview counts both of them.

That used to be the case; now the new Silicon Valley for producing anything is in Shenzhen with crazy innovation (kinda like what Japan used to be in the 80s). You can set up your own goods production there in minutes and in all kinds of quality as your budget allows. A regular Chinese now matches a regular American in quality of life as measured by typical economical metrics (adjusted for purchase parity, not in nominal value). Many US/EU companies reduced to selling stuff one can buy on Alibaba for 1/10th, just rebranded to appear US/EU-made. There are some areas Chinese can't do yet, like advanced metallurgy, which was generating quite a bit of business for US/EU, but that disadvantage is disappearing rapidly as they continue throwing money on it and invest into research.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by electricslpnsld »

bitL wrote: post #25
gridlockd wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China is either the world’s 1st or 2nd largest economy, depending on how you measure it So what? Its exports account for only ~13%. According to the same data, Belgium is 2.4%. I've never even heard of anything "Made in Belgium".

Beer

Excellent chocolates and cheese as well. Great pommes frites, but those are harder to export.

Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Post by [deleted] »

liuliu wrote: post #17
nrp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quebec is not the best example. There have been two referendums on this, the second of which was extremely close to passing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_sovereignty_movement The Supreme Court of Canada went on to confirm that a referendum is a legal method for Quebec to initiate secession: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_Re_Secession_of_Queb...

True. It is just hard to rewrite nation borders once it is set and done for a country of China's size. Realistically, the West probably hope of USSR type of breakdown. To me, that is extremely unlikely given the desire of the Chinese people to remain as a united group.

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