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Re: NBA Events in China Disrupted over Hong Kong Tweet

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Post by the_resistence »

pitt1980 wrote: post #77
baumy wrote: post #51

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Another longtime NBA fan here, just backing up what you're saying about Morey. Especially in regards to the NBA in China, he's a fairly significant figure, more so than the original comment implies. On a different note - I was in the same boat as you and actually wrote an email to the league pass support address (did not get a reply yet) telling them that I had been a customer for years and would not be renewing this…

On Morey, sure, basketball fans know who he is, and he’s a respected guy, but relative to say LeBron or Harden, in a list of Q scores, he’s certainly behind at least hundreds of other NBA personalities, And this was a 2 line tweet, Which again is blocked in China. I maintain that had the Chinese government just ignored this, or stuck it behind the Great Firewall, This would be a complete non-story. Now millions of Ch…

It couldn't be ignored because the kids of the elites there all have VPNs and access the real/free internet. Someone posted to social media there and it blew up. But no one asks how the tweet was seen in the first place and why access is only for the rich.

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Post by taobility »

vnchr wrote: post #78
taobility wrote: post #60

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Kaepernick is safe because he is a celebrity, did you read the news about some other nobody Americans?

I’m a nobody American. I can demonstrate my freedom, if you’d like. I, being of sound mind, declare that my President is shit. And he’s wrong about things. And his hair is ridiculous. No consequences. That’s allowed. My real identity is adequately tied to this account, and I fear no repercussions for criticizing my government leaders.

In US, it's more scare to say you support Trump, and also it's declare to death that you say you don't like black people. And also, you are freely to say that in China, and you may get applause for that. Does that approve anything? Did you get my point?

Re: NBA Events in China Disrupted over Hong Kong Tweet

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Post by taobility »

sharadov wrote: post #67
taobility wrote: post #53

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If the game players don't respect my culture, respect my nation, why would I watch their games?!

How did they disrespect your culture?

Would you send your black people watermelon as gift?

Re: NBA Events in China Disrupted over Hong Kong Tweet

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Post by vnchr »

taobility wrote: post #82
vnchr wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a nobody American. I can demonstrate my freedom, if you’d like. I, being of sound mind, declare that my President is shit. And he’s wrong about things. And his hair is ridiculous. No consequences. That’s allowed. My real identity is adequately tied to this account, and I fear no repercussions for criticizing my government leaders.

In US, it's more scare to say you support Trump, and also it's declare to death that you say you don't like black people. And also, you are freely to say that in China, and you may get applause for that. Does that approve anything? Did you get my point?

I do appreciate your point that there are social consequences for certain kinds of personal expression. If I publicly support an unpopular political or religious or social view, it could damage my professional reputation and limit my job prospects.

But those aren’t government enforced laws. People can choose their own rules for speech.

If I insult my employer, I may be fired. There are social consequences for taking controversial stances—that’s true of all societies. But those aren’t legal consequences in the USA. Our government can’t intervene except for specific cases where you are inciting violence or physical danger when it comes to personal expression.

When it comes to speech, should the government have the power or should the people have the power? I don’t want my government to have that power over me, and I certainly don’t want China to have that power over citizens of the USA.

Re: NBA Events in China Disrupted over Hong Kong Tweet

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Post by dang »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #80
baumy wrote: post #79

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This will be my last reply since it's quite clear we're at an impasse, but I assure you I have been exposed to many more perspectives than just HN, and frankly am offended that you would assume otherwise. I think it reflects poorly on the strength of your argument if you have to resort to "you disagree with me, you must not be as well informed as I am". Particularly when you proceed to not clarify in any way which pe…

Ok. Cheers. For the record, I wasn't assuming anything about your exposure to various ideas. Just didn't want to belabor the points. I was snarking the one-sidedness of the board a little bit. If you wanted to hear what I was thinking: 1) Installing western-friendly government in HK achieves full naval encirclement of China (SK, JP, Phillipines, Taiwan, HK). 2) As you say, there's the history of colonialism, which ge…

I appreciate that you're mostly sticking to the right side of posting respectfully, but you're still breaking the site guidelines by using HN primarily for political and nationalistic arguments. You've posted many dozens of comments in the last week, apparently about nothing else.

Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended? As you surely know, this is a site for intellectual curiosity. Political battle, especially about China, may be dominating the threads lately, but that's not a stable or ok situation—that's the needle going into the red, and we need accounts like yours to not just constantly be ramping that up and making it redder and redder. (I know you're not the only one.) If that happens, eventually the pressure hits a breaking point and the whole thing blows up. I had to go a long way back to find a comment that was distinctively about something else (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20060328, if you're curious).

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Post by hkmaxpro »

taobility wrote: post #63
lancesells wrote: post #21

Crazy how all this started from a service (Twitter) that is banned in China. Not only censoring apps that do business there but outrage over a comment on an app the Chinese people aren't even supposed to see.

There are millions of Chinese living at USA right now

Most aren't Chinese nationals any more.

They either grew up learning US values, or were natralized with the oath “I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. [0]

In any case, they enjoy the freedom to access different opinions in the US, and should respect those opinions.

[0] https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/naturalization-test/nat...

Re: NBA Events in China Disrupted over Hong Kong Tweet

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Post by yourbandsucks »

dang wrote: post #85
yourbandsucks wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. Cheers. For the record, I wasn't assuming anything about your exposure to various ideas. Just didn't want to belabor the points. I was snarking the one-sidedness of the board a little bit. If you wanted to hear what I was thinking: 1) Installing western-friendly government in HK achieves full naval encirclement of China (SK, JP, Phillipines, Taiwan, HK). 2) As you say, there's the history of colonialism, which ge…

I appreciate that you're mostly sticking to the right side of posting respectfully, but you're still breaking the site guidelines by using HN primarily for political and nationalistic arguments. You've posted many dozens of comments in the last week, apparently about nothing else. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended? As you surely know, this is a site for in…

You've got a balance of hundreds of comments calling for civilizational confrontation. With dozens of actually racist comments in the mix as well. Over, what, 2 dozen threads in a few days?

Go ahead and ban me if you like but I'm not your problem here. That comment was, if I do say so, mind expanding compared to the raw emotion on display in these threads.

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Post by taobility »

sharadov wrote: post #88
taobility wrote: post #83

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Would you send your black people watermelon as gift?

You are straight-up making racist comments here.

Okay, I think you should understand something now. Why my comment/behavior are totally fine in other cultures but be racism and offensive here?

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Post by taobility »

vnchr wrote: post #84
taobility wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In US, it's more scare to say you support Trump, and also it's declare to death that you say you don't like black people. And also, you are freely to say that in China, and you may get applause for that. Does that approve anything? Did you get my point?

I do appreciate your point that there are social consequences for certain kinds of personal expression. If I publicly support an unpopular political or religious or social view, it could damage my professional reputation and limit my job prospects. But those aren’t government enforced laws. People can choose their own rules for speech. If I insult my employer, I may be fired. There are social consequences for taking…

1. we are talking about freedom of speech. Whether the damage from the peers or from the administration, for the normal people, I don't think there is big difference. 2. I am not fully understand what's your meaning of China's power over USA citizens. I don't think Chinese government has enforced any US citizen do anything they don't want to do. 3. Boycotting is really normal in modern days, and it's a polite way to express your disagreement. NBA can stand with their point, but Chinese and Chinese government can boycott as well. Just like what Kaepernick did and NFL audience did.
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