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Waymo to customers: “Completely driverless Waymo cars are on the way”

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Re: Waymo to customers: “Completely driverless Waymo cars are on the way”

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I have very mixed feelings about autonomous cars. One side of me is so excited about the prospect and finds it all amazing and futuristic. I love reading about how Tesla and Waymo approach it differently. The other side of me is absolutely not ready to trust my life to a machine - even though I know I do that all the time in other ways in modern life. I think it will be people's emotional evaluation that will matter…

every now and then I do something while driving that, IMO, requires "human cognition". Not just image recognition, obstacle avoidance, rule following, etc.

Like, I'm cruising along at 45mph and a plastic bag is blown in front of my car. Yes, I see an obstacle and need to make a decision about what to do - but I do this as a human who knows what a plastic bag is, and how it is far safer to drive right over it than slam on the brakes. I know a plastic bag is not, say, a Pomeranian.

Another example: I'm driving, and from beyond my plane of vision, a basketball bounces onto the road up ahead. I can't see past a building, but I know I'm near a park where kids frequently play, and I know it's possible a kid comes running into the road to grab the ball. I proactively slow down. I guess you could say a leavel-5 autonomous car would see the ball and slow down anyway, but there's still that lack of cognition that concerns me.

We like to think of driving as a purely rule-based game that is simple enough to model and train against. And I believe in 99% of situations, it is. But in that 1%... the plastic bags and all that...

Re: Waymo to customers: “Completely driverless Waymo cars are on the way”

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Waymo is so far ahead in this game. Tesla has the biggest online cheerleading section and an "autopilot" that behaves as a low-budget adaptive cruise control with lane keeping that sometimes works, and a pretty big body count. Uber has a dead pedestrian and a major lawsuit. Cruise has a lot of people on staff but virtually nothing to show for it. Lyft exists. Waymo is in production revenue service.

> Tesla has the biggest online cheerleading section and an "autopilot" that behaves as a low-budget adaptive cruise control with lane keeping that sometimes works, and a pretty big body count I don't think you're being very accurate there. There are lots of videos of people commuting 50+ miles to and from work every day without touching anything while on the interstates, including interchanges. It's doing a lot more…

I recently drove on the other side of the road for the first time. Staying in the same lane on a freeway was the easiest part of it.

Re: Waymo to customers: “Completely driverless Waymo cars are on the way”

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I have very mixed feelings about autonomous cars. One side of me is so excited about the prospect and finds it all amazing and futuristic. I love reading about how Tesla and Waymo approach it differently. The other side of me is absolutely not ready to trust my life to a machine - even though I know I do that all the time in other ways in modern life. I think it will be people's emotional evaluation that will matter…

What you describe feels similar in certain ways to insulin pumps. They’ve definitely helped people live longer and healthier lives but still have cause injuries that otherwise wouldn’t have happened with human administered injections.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4915491

Re: Waymo to customers: “Completely driverless Waymo cars are on the way”

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So it’s ok to have 1+ million dead per year? [0] If so why go through all this trouble to creat autonomous vehicles? I, for one, am glad this was not the prevailing attitude when commercial airliner regulatory bodies were set up. [0] https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/

Yes, even if autonomous vehicles are on average exactly as safe as human drivers, they're still worth the effort. Here are some reasons: 1. They're cheaper. This sounds crude, until you realize that this makes things like buses and shared rides far more viable. Meaning millions of people have a better commute and collectively save many lifetimes worth of time. It can also mean less air pollution, due to less traffic…

> 1. They're cheaper. This sounds crude, until you realize that this makes things like buses and shared rides far more viable. Meaning millions of people have a better commute and collectively save many lifetimes worth of time. It can also mean less air pollution, due to less traffic congestion (this only applies if congestion pricing is done), which will also save lives.

IMO autonomous vehicles are just going to further push public transit into something just for the poor. All the convenience and comfort and privacy of sitting in your own vehicle, but now you don't have to drive yourself! Why would you choose anything else?

Re: Waymo to customers: “Completely driverless Waymo cars are on the way”

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Agreed. FTA: > "are on the way" > "soon you may experience" Vague promises without any concrete dates attached make this seem like output from PR rather than engineering

Except in the previous article, driverless rides were already happening : > since mid-October, the company has been operating its autonomous minivans on public roads in Arizona without a safety driver The difference is that those were without any users inside. This new article is saying that the public offering, with real customers inside, will get rides with no one inside. It is unfortunate that it took 2 years to g…

> It is unfortunate that it took 2 years to get to the point where they felt safe putting people customers in the car

Except they're not at that point yet, and even when they are they will still have a Waymo employee on board "initially".

I don't think that anybody is accusing anybody of lying, just making the point that predictions of the marketing team aren't really something you would want to set your watch by.

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