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Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 They allow a Chinese company to manage iCloud data.

They are legally required to do this. The alternative was completely disabling iCloud in China. This only applies to Chinese users of course.

Google Drive is disabled in China

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

#102
post #84

I figured it out! Why are we so up in arms about this? Why not before this? Well, because we were insulated from China's behavior. Their heavy handed approach only affected their own citizens. They jailed their own citizens, but not Americans, not other people. We got our supply chain from them and they gave us what we wanted, so we're good. However! Now China's tyranny is leaking out of China. It's getting into aren…

Now here's a thought ... could video games and entertainment be tools for generating change in countries? Could every game developer and internet service pulling their services from China completely compel the population to try to change their regime? I know if suddenly my entertainment was taken away I would flip my shit if it was my government that was responsible. Edit : To offset potential cost to companies, coul…

Interesting!

It's certainly subsidized by China, so yes.

Continuing your thought. In the past, wars were fought physically by damaging the opponent. We are at a place in history where we can fight not with fists and bullets, but with entertainment.

Like national rap battles.

Wars were fought over resources: water, oil, food. Now they are fought over games, movies, ... products.

Instead of war winners being those who can inflict the most harm on the opponent, maybe now we can shift that into the winner being the most entertaining.

This could be a good thing.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

#103
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 They allow a Chinese company to manage iCloud data.

They are legally required to do this. The alternative was completely disabling iCloud in China. This only applies to Chinese users of course.

You say this as though many companies are not already practicing that alternative.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

#104
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to see people give up Blizzard games, but still continue supporting companies like Apple that do far worse, like effectively giving the keys to iCloud to China. I think the conversation is great, and maybe now we'll actually reconsider what the TPP's goal was. But in the end, the people picked money first, so it shouldn't be a surprise when businesses do this as well.

I'm sad to see you downvoted. Its frustrating to me too when a company like Apple champions human rights in the USA then hands over the management of iCloud to China. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351

The juicy parts from the Legal Agreement for folks in China using iCloud:

> E. Access to Your Account and Content

> We reserve the right to take steps we believe are reasonably necessary or appropriate to enforce and/or verify compliance with any part of this Agreement. You acknowledge and agree that we may, without liability to you, access, use, preserve and/or disclose your Account information and Content to law enforcement authorities, government officials, and/or a third party, as we believe is reasonably necessary or appropriate, if legally required to do so or if we have a good faith belief that such access, use, disclosure, or preservation is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process or request; (b) enforce this Agreement, including investigation of any potential violation thereof; (c) detect, prevent or otherwise address security, fraud or technical issues; or (d) protect the rights, property or safety of GCBD, its users, Apple, a third party, or the public as required or permitted by applicable law. You understand and agree that Apple and GCBD will have access to all data that you store on this service, including the right to share, exchange and disclose all user data, including Content, to and between each other under applicable law.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

#105
post #34

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It's worth pointing out that today's China is communist in name only. They literally arrested the president of Peking University's Marxist society on ideological grounds: https://news.yahoo.com/china-arrests-marxist-student-leader-... China in 2019 is a simple fascist dictatorship. Edit: Fixed a broken link

Communists killing and imprisoning other communists has happened since the ideology was first conceived so you will need a better argument than that to say they are not communist. I really dont understand why so many people feel the need to post comments online distinguishing that China is not communist. Its a disgusting authoritarian regime just like every other self proclaimed communist country in history.

US foreign policy is a big reason why only authoritarian communist governments have been able to survive.

Nicaragua is a great example of this. The Sadinistas lost power through free elections in which the US interferred. Now that the Sadinistas are back in power, the freedom of their elections has been rapidly decreasing.

"Communist" as a lable has been so misused and unclearly defined for so long that it is mostly useless as a descriptive term.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

#106
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to see people give up Blizzard games, but still continue supporting companies like Apple that do far worse, like effectively giving the keys to iCloud to China. I think the conversation is great, and maybe now we'll actually reconsider what the TPP's goal was. But in the end, the people picked money first, so it shouldn't be a surprise when businesses do this as well.

I'm sad to see you downvoted. Its frustrating to me too when a company like Apple champions human rights in the USA then hands over the management of iCloud to China. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351

GP getting downvoted, OP getting massively flagged; I guess this topic does not sufficiently gratify one's intellectual curiosity.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

#107

This is probably not going to be a popular opinion here, but I wonder if any folks have considered what it looks like on the China side? Specifically, you are in China, and the HK protestors want what to happen to China? You have HK protesters waving American and British flags. These are the countries that have started wars all over, in the last 70 years since the end of WWII, ostensibly to promote democracy, and eve…

There's a lot to unpack here, but the things that stand out are "Hong Kong = China", "protestors = US/UK", and "US/UK = bad". You've certainly succeeded in seeing things from the CCPC's perspective - or at any rate from the perspective encouraged by their propaganda. The trouble is these are all very "truthy":

- Hong Kong is meant to be an independent political system, under a treaty that PRC attempted to quietly subvert (and it blew up in their faces)

- The protestors are native Hong Kongers outraged by the above, not agent saboteurs of the West no matter what flags they fly

- the only "chaos and destruction" wrought by the UK's promotion of democracy in Hong Kong before the Handover has been the PRC's response to it

And I don't know how you can claim that China has a better human rights record than the US or the UK. There's ongoing genocide in China right now.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

#108
post #29

And still no (American) statement from Blizzard. Whoever runs their PR team is getting fired, if they haven't been already.

https://i.imgur.com/xQfRoPa.jpg

Blizzard has already apologized to China publicly however.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

#109

As much as I want to think change will happen, it's much more likely this will be a few weeks of PR and ultimately nothing will change. For something to change people have to vote with their wallets. In this context that means cancelling subscriptions or dropping games they are already playing in favor for ones by competitors with better integrity, and I don't see that happening. Diablo players could go to Path of Ex…

A common albeit reductive meme around the entire controversy is that Blizzard games were already declining in popularity (especially Starcraft and HotS) so it's easy to boycott them. Path of Exile is an interesting case as I know a lot of Diablo players went there since Diablo III is effectively on life support (including myself), but the resurfacing of the Tencent ownership news is causing ethical complications: htt…

Thanks, I was just considering getting back into PoE, but I'll look for other ARPGs. Any recommendations?

I've heard good things about Grim Dawn

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

#110
post #32

I know it's the original but this title is turrible. 'Staged' - usually means faked 'Protest Banned Pro-Hong King Gamer' reads like they are protesting the gamer

Staged means presented and performed implying some kind of prior organisation. This only means fake in the context of something presented as unplanned.
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