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Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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As much as I want to think change will happen, it's much more likely this will be a few weeks of PR and ultimately nothing will change. For something to change people have to vote with their wallets. In this context that means cancelling subscriptions or dropping games they are already playing in favor for ones by competitors with better integrity, and I don't see that happening. Diablo players could go to Path of Ex…

A common albeit reductive meme around the entire controversy is that Blizzard games were already declining in popularity (especially Starcraft and HotS) so it's easy to boycott them. Path of Exile is an interesting case as I know a lot of Diablo players went there since Diablo III is effectively on life support (including myself), but the resurfacing of the Tencent ownership news is causing ethical complications: htt…

Grinding Gear Games (GGG), the makers of Path of Exile have recently been purchased by Tencent, with an 80% stake. This ownership will increase to 100% in the next couple of years. If you want to boycott pro-China companies, PoE and GGG aren't a good choice!

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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Citation needed.

Are you under the impression that China can't break encryption?

They don’t even need to- OP is massively mistaken. Apple gave China the encryption keys (and all other China-based iCloud infra) more than a year ago.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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Historically communist countries have been pretty fascist, but communism itself (in theory) is about workers' rights and the elevation of the little people. I don't know how genuine Mao was about those ideals, but Xi is dropping all pretense by intentionally targeting labor movements. So he shouldn't even get to hide behind a flawed idealism. He has no idealism except power.

You're just ascribing the negative aspects of communism-as-realized to fascism but this seems trivially ahistorical. The internecine conflicts in communist states were much more pronounced than in the fascist ones, perhaps in part because communism was always a more complex and developed movement ideologically.

Sure; in my mind, fascist == authoritarian + nationalist. I realize that's extremely simplified - I'm not a historian - but that's what I meant by it.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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This is probably not going to be a popular opinion here, but I wonder if any folks have considered what it looks like on the China side? Specifically, you are in China, and the HK protestors want what to happen to China? You have HK protesters waving American and British flags. These are the countries that have started wars all over, in the last 70 years since the end of WWII, ostensibly to promote democracy, and eve…

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Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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Source on Apple giving iCloud keys to China?

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 They allow a Chinese company to manage iCloud data.

They are legally required to do this. The alternative was completely disabling iCloud in China. This only applies to Chinese users of course.

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If Hong Kong becomes a Palestine-style cause celebre it will be bad for China. China is trapped. They are stuck with this democratic appendix attached to a communist body. China can't keep Hong Kong under a democratic system as they have zero understanding of democracy. But if they try to repress it they risk endangering China's relationships with the rest of the world. They made a mistake thinking they could transfo…

It's worth pointing out that today's China is communist in name only. They literally arrested the president of Peking University's Marxist society on ideological grounds: https://news.yahoo.com/china-arrests-marxist-student-leader-... China in 2019 is a simple fascist dictatorship. Edit: Fixed a broken link

How about we just use more specific terms? China remains very much Leninist, and to a lesser extent Maoist; it has however mostly ceased to be Marxist. They kept the basic political forms but moved to a relatively liberal economic model.

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(replying on behalf of gp) Of course such clues exist; it's unlikely s/he was personally confused. Which has zero bearing on the quality of the title. The fact that it _requires_ parsing and reliance on clues indicates poor word choice. Synonyms abound, and better ones would have made for a much better title.

"Staging a walkout" seems like a phrase that, unless one is an ESL speaker or otherwise don’t speak the language you'd have to be actively and conscientiously misinterpreting when reading the title in whole. But point taken...I suppose.

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Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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Generally it's the PR department that figures out how to spin things

True, but Execs will gatekeep the final review and approval for larger responses and campaigns.

This shouldn’t be hard though. Execs shouldn’t think “we should maximize shareholder value while following the law”. Execs should think “what will I wish I had done when I’m 90”. Does it really hurt that much to tell your shareholders “we think it’s the right thing to stand up for democracy and human rights even if it means we are bennes from China and our profits are halved”.

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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I know it's the original but this title is turrible. 'Staged' - usually means faked 'Protest Banned Pro-Hong King Gamer' reads like they are protesting the gamer

Synonyms and context clues exist, you know.

Sure but what's wrong with something like:

Blizzard Employees Protest Banning of Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

Re: Blizzard Employees Staged a Walkout to Protest Banned Pro-Hong Kong Gamer

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It's worth pointing out that today's China is communist in name only. They literally arrested the president of Peking University's Marxist society on ideological grounds: https://news.yahoo.com/china-arrests-marxist-student-leader-... China in 2019 is a simple fascist dictatorship. Edit: Fixed a broken link

> China in 2019 is a simple fascist dictatorship. Maybe the community could help me to understand whether this is accurate?

Consider Eco's writing on Ur-Facism: http://www.interglacial.com/pub/text/Umberto_Eco_-_Eternal_F... and note that the apologia for the Chinese government by the owner of an NBA team focused heavily on point 8 (for example).

The CCP has long ago abandoned ideas of collective ownership; China has many very wealthy individuals whose wealth is private.

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