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Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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It's a weird day when I find myself agreeing with Marco Rubio. But it's true, China is effectively attempting a global chill on free speech by gating market access. If we don't stand up now, the effects will be felt long into the future.

Almost all Americans can agree on freedom of speech.

Not recently.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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There is no law or constitutional provision in the US that says you can’t refuse to work with someone for their political views.

It's kind of unfortunate. It's like there's free speech, but the reality is almost everyone needs to work to live, and by way of working, their freedom of speech is effectively revoked. EEOC makes it illegal to discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin; why can't political views and speech said outside of the workplace be a part of that?

Very slippery slope, friend. Practically anything can be construed as political views and/or speech. You're asking for a police state.

Free speech protects you from the government, not your peers.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Do you consider nazism a political view?

National Socialist German Workers' Party sure sounds like a political party to me.

I agree. I would say that it's not a mistake that political views are left out. Race, color, sex, and national origin are things that you are, not things you believe. Religion is the exception and I'm not sure how I feel about it being included. I think that it's important to not discriminate merely because someone follows a different religion, but some religions have some pretty awful beliefs. I certainly wouldn't be comfortable working with someone involved with WBC.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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I'm mixed on this. I'm 100% for Chung “Blitzchung” Ng Wai to express his support for Hong Kong. I'm not so sure it's okay for him to do it on Blizzard's show/event. 27 years ago Sinead O'Connor ripped up a picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live when it was broadcast live. She's was arguably right to critize the Pope but was she right to do it from Saturday Night Live's Live broadcast? IIRC because of that inciden…

I agree that Blizzard is reasonable to want to limit political speech, including speech related to Hong Kong, on their event broadcast.

However I think the response was totally out of scale. They banned the player from competing for a year, rescinded winnings, deleted the VOD of the event, and fired both casters who were interviewing him. Would that have happened if a player on stream said something else political and inflammatory? No way.

Example: https://www.polygon.com/2018/1/20/16913072/overwatch-league-... $2000 fine and a 4 day ban

An $x000 fine and y game suspension is a punishment in line with this offense in literally every professional sports league.

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Ditto South Park. By telling people they cannot watch South Park, they have guaranteed everyone will want to watch that episode. That's the lesson Dolores Umbridge inadvertently taught us in Harry Potter # 5.

There was recently a brouhaha over a cosplayer being accused of blackface for cosplaying a league of legends character named Pyke. This cosplayer was a finalist and the competition in question removed her over it. When I first encountered it this morning my thought was that she ultimately wins because she's getting exposure that she never would have gotten before, and most people aren't ridiculous.

That... doesn't really seem the same.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Great Streisand moves by China though, previously gamers or basketball fans might not really care about what's happening in Hong Kong/China in general, but within 2 days they (China) have raised awareness of what a shitty overlord they are.

Well, China has done nothing here though. This is the NBA and Blizzard acting to prevent what I like to call the "Weibo Outrage Machine" from revving too high. (Not that it worked, because in the NBA's case, the machine was red lining. In Blizzard's case, there was nary a peep though, so that one is a bit puzzling?) For any who were unaware, the "Weibo Outrage Machine" is pretty much exactly what it sounds like, thin…

How does this "outrage machine" affect the actions of the Chinese government? If people get outraged enough, will they vote against the communist party?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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The most well-known one would be James Damore being fired from Google for criticizing the corporate diversity policies [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_Ideological_Echo_Ch...

James Damore was fired by internal pressure inside Google, not pressure from the US government. The US Sanctions and Embargos based on lawful use of economical policies as set forth by constitutional powers granted to the Executive Branch. US Legislative and Executive branches attempts to censor free speech would almost certainly be challenged in court, as the right to free speech, and peacably assemble is one of the…

Damore was fired for perpetuating gender stereotypes - even he confirmed as much with the press. Ironically enough, you can find that information and the memo through a quick Google search.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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The CCP can move quickly and decisively to ban access to the world's 2nd largest market, and it uses that power to chill speech and force governments and companies to take actions it wants that are antithetical to a free society. Small nations and individual companies cannot stand up to this coercion individually, and free, market economies lack the organization to respond in a cohesive way. The optimistic belief tha…

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