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Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by pjmlp »

ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

Until Linux-on-the-desktop gives me the GUI workflow, a full OS stack of the likes of macOS, Windows, Android, it is going to be left as a travel OS for my tiny surviving Asus netbook.

For a couple of years I believed on the dream, nowadays I rather invest my time elsewhere.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by mantoto »

ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

I like my windows 10.

I also like my arch Linux as well.

Even my MacOS rund stable enough that I don't have any issues with that.

But if you don't keep your Debian up to date the chance that you can't longer upgrade it is high. After 1-2 years.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by pjmlp »

November-Echo wrote: post #158
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

About the bash thing: Apple isn’t allowed to ship a newer version due to licensing problems. That’s also the reason why they switched to zsh [1]. [1]: https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019/06/04/why-does-macos-catalina...

They are allowed, it is just like everyone else on comercial world, they rather not deal with copyleft software licenses.

Which is a quite different issue.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by phoe-krk »

Lio wrote: post #178
ashishb wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

The only real problem I have left with my XPS13 is with sleep/hibernate. I’d like it to work like macOS. It seems like that’s possible but it requires a swapfile to save state to. As far as I can tell that means enabling virtual memory which is a no no on SSD. Just that and I wish Bluetooth remembered the on/off state it was left in after reboot.

> It seems like that’s possible but it requires a swapfile to save state to.

Has macOS solved this issue differently? Do they save RAM state to some non-SSD non-volatile memory, or do they just not care and dump it to SSD anyway?

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by enzoaguado »

What I find personally funny is the amount of bashing Microsoft gets for being hostile to privacy, yet when Apple or some other company tries to make a push forward, they get bad comments because of a side effect of it Yes, this could probably be better, but practically no security improvement can be achieve without a tradeoff. As mentionned in the blog post, this user is a power user, with many programs installed and these popups appears only one time. Spending at most 10 minutes accepting/denying permission prompts (which, let's be honest, are pretty concise and clearly worded) is a good tradeoff for more control on what applications are doing on my system.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by mfontani »

ashishb wrote: post #130
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

I switched to a t480 w/Debian from a macbook pro due to battery. Same apps, I get 8h vs 1.5h with VirtualBox running a VM, or 12h (vs ~2h?) without.

WiFi works. Sleep is "meh" compared to the Macbook, but that's on me for not having a swap partition.

Happy with my switch so far, and it's been 1y3mo

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by dtech »

Razengan wrote: post #122

Apple seems to be forgetting their own credo against nag-based security: https://i.imgur.com/qbUy5aH.png (from an ancient WWDC slide mocking the Windows approach.) They may have overdone it in a few cases, and not done anything where it's really needed (like a unified list of all third-party startup items, such as Google’s sneaky Keystone malware, or seeing all outgoing data and connection attempts like Little Snitch…

The "nagging" approach seems to work well on mobile, at least with targeted permissions. I don't know how it is on iOS, but this seems very similar.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by mav3rick »

ashishb wrote: post #130
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

Chromebooks. You can now run a full linux distro securely on a Chromebook too (alongside the Play Store).

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by trymas »

Razengan wrote: post #122

Apple seems to be forgetting their own credo against nag-based security: https://i.imgur.com/qbUy5aH.png (from an ancient WWDC slide mocking the Windows approach.) They may have overdone it in a few cases, and not done anything where it's really needed (like a unified list of all third-party startup items, such as Google’s sneaky Keystone malware, or seeing all outgoing data and connection attempts like Little Snitch…

> Not long ago DropBox used to show you a fake dialog that then stole your administrator password.

Wow. What the hell? Can you provide any sources to read about this more?

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by dwaite »

pjmlp wrote: post #183
November-Echo wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About the bash thing: Apple isn’t allowed to ship a newer version due to licensing problems. That’s also the reason why they switched to zsh [1]. [1]: https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019/06/04/why-does-macos-catalina...

They are allowed, it is just like everyone else on comercial world, they rather not deal with copyleft software licenses. Which is a quite different issue.

AFAIK GPLv3 means (among other things) that if a company is slapped with an injunction due to a patent suit, you can't just license the patent for yourself - a patent license has to cover all GPLv3 usage.

They are allowed, but some of the legal consequences to the new terms in GPLv3 are worth stalling updates, choosing alternative system components and even rewriting components to avoid.

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