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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by est »

diveanon wrote: post #121

A presidential candidates stance on China and its abuse of human rights will be a key issue for me in 2020. What is happening to the NBA, Blizzard, and seemingly every company that has a presence in China is the tip of the iceberg. If we as a liberal free society cannot stand against the rise of oppressive totalitarianism then we are doomed to fail. Incremental profits and potential market share in a closed economy i…

> A presidential candidates stance on China and its abuse of human rights will be a key issue for me in 2020.

Your presidential candidate need to fix human rights issues in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Democracy installed by the US government gotta have a warranty and customer service.

If the outcome of US installed human rights means tens of thousands of refugees and jihad fighters how can your model of human rights even work in a 1.4B population China?

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by TallGuyShort »

the_watcher wrote: post #349
PenguinCoder wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the rate they're making money (NBA), why does ADDITIONAL PROFIT matter ? We aren't 'the ferangi'; people are more important than profits, but American corporations seem to have ignored or forgotten that. Screw NBA market share, or financial well-being. Democracy and human rights are vastly more important!

NOTE: I think this has been handled incredibly poorly by the NBA and that Morey should have doubled down on his tweet, not caved. That said, the reason additional profits matter is that 51% of the revenue (not profits) go to the players, and the salary cap is tied directly to total revenue. This was collectively bargained and cannot be changed without a renegotiation. A lot of decisions have been made making assumpti…

Sorry, but "why does the NBA (a large corporation employing many people) need to make more money?" comes off as a far more reasonable question to me than "why do professional American basketball players need to make more money?"

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by est »

rsync wrote: post #128

What if this blows up in the other direction ? How many Chinese will pay attention to "whatever those people are doing in Hong Kong" for the first time because of this ? Which is to say, what if lots of young Chinese stand up and take notice that they can't watch world class professional basketball anymore ? I am well aware that there is homegrown professional basketball in China, but the $4B number suggests they wan…

There's a meme post in China Intranet, a HK guy murdered his girlfriend in Taiwan, so a mainland Chinese now can not watch NBA.

Butterfly effect.

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Post by munk-a »

ellius wrote: post #329
munk-a wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely is the responsibility of American businessmen, but the question wasn't about businessmen it was about the NBA - the NBA is a corporation with no fealty, loyalty or citizenship within any country in the world. I think in America there has been a hard push to prevent government control into various companies - just because this scenario is about decrying a foreign entity instead of the US flexing power do…

That's a nice theory and all, but if the NBA really believes that then its representatives should stop pretending to care about free speech.

They, like many companies, would love to have their cake and eat it too - they want the positive PR from looking like "A Real American Company" with patriotism and all that - while actually having no obligation toward (and making no effort to support) any given country.

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Post by angry_octet »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #19
ticmasta wrote: post #10

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Well, we saw with the USSR that decades of Cold War couldn't be defused politically but Levis and Coca Cola went a long way towards bridging the divide. Now we have China which is basketball-mad but the problem is we can't use the carrot of the NBA to entice them towards us as long as the NBA is willing to trade their product under China's terms for a big enough paycheque. The NBA's attempt to paint themselves as a n…

The NBA is about basketball, not about something that is quickly turning into McCarthyism. Demanding that they should 'stand for something' is behaving exactly how China and Chinese companies are accused of behaving. The concept of "enticing China towards the US" is also naive at best. China is not a small country that the US can turn into a satellite. It is a superpower with its own views and interests and however i…

It is true that the CCP loves capitalism without conscience. The owners of the NBA (and MLB/NFL) seem to like that idea too, but the league has posititioned itself differently, as having a social conscience. Which, BTW, is different to McCarthyism. (It's a real tell that you use that playbook BTW.)

Culturally, China is not an exporter. It imports culture massively, but it isn't IP it can easily copy.

Authoritarian regimes are usually pretty bad at creating cultural products, except the ones like gruesome museums. Though I'm looking forward to HK producing its own Ai Weiwei or Guo Jian.

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Post by sushid »

tw04 wrote: post #177
tanilama wrote: post #87

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Jeremy Lin is not Chinese.

>Lin is the first American of Chinese or Taiwanese descent to play in the NBA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Lin Jeremy Lin is of Chinese descent. I didn't say he was born there.

Your statement is still absurd. Would you consider an Irish American player to be “exported from” Ireland?

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by est »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #100
fhood wrote: post #72

China presents a huge opportunity for growth to the NBA, and this is a really crucial period for them as it seems like the NFL's stranglehold might be weakening and extra money to reinvest might help that process. I don't understand how people can act like losing the Chinese market is some sort of trivial decision?!? I would love for the NBA to stand up to China on this issue, but it IS NOT AN EASY OR OBVIOUS DECISIO…

Money or surrender to evil. It's pretty simple.

money is evil. It's either evil or two evils.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by angry_octet »

tanilama wrote: post #202
rsync wrote: post #128

What if this blows up in the other direction ? How many Chinese will pay attention to "whatever those people are doing in Hong Kong" for the first time because of this ? Which is to say, what if lots of young Chinese stand up and take notice that they can't watch world class professional basketball anymore ? I am well aware that there is homegrown professional basketball in China, but the $4B number suggests they wan…

> Which is to say, what if lots of young Chinese stand up and take notice that they can't watch world class professional basketball anymore ? It is arguably the Young that start this online campaign to call NBA out. The government/brands follow the suits. The tension is high. I think watching NBA is soon to be deemed as unpatriotic by social media, and that will be one of the long-lasting legacy of this event.

I wonder if you'll now lose social credit for watching NBA / wearing NBA products?

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Post by silexia »

sverige wrote: post #299
wuliwong wrote: post #258

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You are just theorizing that #2 is happening with no evidence.

The evidence is that they didn't support the original tweet that caused all the ruckus, and there hasn't been a flood of tweets or other expressions of support for HK by other NBA people since the NBA made the statement.

We should boycott the NBA.
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