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Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by stevespang »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #20
justsomeone88 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keto/carnivore is incredibly dangerous to the human body in the long run (5+ years out). Excess protein (in fact, even in the amounts society recognizes as "normal") is bad for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R07FL1wVo4

The Vegetarian Society of Hawaii isn't exactly an unbiased source. Maybe for balance we should post a video from the Texas Cattlemen's Association.

Oh yeah, those who murder innocent animals for profit by the hundreds of thousands . . . may they glow in agony in the internal fires of hell

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by i_am_nomad »

justsomeone88 wrote: post #12
spacephysics wrote: post #7

A carnivorous diet (meat only, zero carbs) would accomplish the same without the pharmacological drawback. Been on the diet for over a year and have never felt better in my life.

Keto/carnivore is incredibly dangerous to the human body in the long run (5+ years out). Excess protein (in fact, even in the amounts society recognizes as "normal") is bad for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R07FL1wVo4

I’m sorry, YouTube is too academic and dense. Could you post a TikTok or a meme with the same info?

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by TimSchumann »

dev_dull wrote: post #6

> your body closely regulates the level of glucose in your blood. Your brain would literally starve without it. Is this actually true? Having done the ketogenic diet and bringing carbohydrates down to almost nothing, my brain definitely didn't starve. In fact, running on ketones was amazing.

The amount of carbohydrates you need in your diet to survive is exactly zero. They’re a non-essential macronutrient.

The amount of glucose you need in your blood stream to keep everything running smoothly is a very small amount easily produced by your body through a process called gluconeogenesis.

I went 60 days sans any calories and my body self regulated glucose just fine.

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by mark-r »

Zelphyr wrote: post #37
justsomeone88 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keto/carnivore is incredibly dangerous to the human body in the long run (5+ years out). Excess protein (in fact, even in the amounts society recognizes as "normal") is bad for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R07FL1wVo4

I've been on Keto for almost two years and recently had someone adamantly scold me about how bad it is for my brain. My n=1 suggests otherwise. Things like focus and mood are all significantly better than they were before. Physical and mental stamina have both increased. I went from an "Obese" body fat percentage to "Athletic" in six months. But still, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and sincerely asked him, and…

Maybe your brain function is sufficiently impaired that you can't find the studies?

Seriously, I had an accident in March that necessitated a brain operation and left me in the hospital for over a month. The most surprising after-effect is that I can't always predict or recognize the symptoms arising from that.

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by sov »

dev_dull wrote: post #6

> your body closely regulates the level of glucose in your blood. Your brain would literally starve without it. Is this actually true? Having done the ketogenic diet and bringing carbohydrates down to almost nothing, my brain definitely didn't starve. In fact, running on ketones was amazing.

> Is this actually true?

It kinda depends on what exactly they mean. Is it true that if you had zero glucose available in your bloodstream at all your brain would be unable to function? Yes. Is it true that if nothing you ate contained any glucose your brain would starve? No. There's a process called gluconeogenesis which produces more than enough glucose for your brain to function no matter how few carbs you eat.

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by travisp »

spacephysics wrote: post #7

A carnivorous diet (meat only, zero carbs) would accomplish the same without the pharmacological drawback. Been on the diet for over a year and have never felt better in my life.

Have you ever checked your blood sugar on a zero carb diet? It’s far from zero.

This medication is intended to block glucose transport to cancer cells while not blocking to non-cancer cells. Even if a zero carb diet would be a good idea for a cancer patient in general, there is absolutely no chance that a zero carb diet would be equivalent to the intended mechanism of this medication because people with a zero carb diet still have plenty of glucose.

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by omarchowdhury »

TimSchumann wrote: post #43
dev_dull wrote: post #6

> your body closely regulates the level of glucose in your blood. Your brain would literally starve without it. Is this actually true? Having done the ketogenic diet and bringing carbohydrates down to almost nothing, my brain definitely didn't starve. In fact, running on ketones was amazing.

The amount of carbohydrates you need in your diet to survive is exactly zero. They’re a non-essential macronutrient. The amount of glucose you need in your blood stream to keep everything running smoothly is a very small amount easily produced by your body through a process called gluconeogenesis. I went 60 days sans any calories and my body self regulated glucose just fine.

You went 60 days without eating?

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by topmonk »

PenguinCoder wrote: post #32
topmonk wrote: post #16

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No, it wouldn't. Your brain needs glucose to survive and your body will manufacture it if it's not present. If you actually were able to accomplish what you're saying, you'd be braindead.

I'd like to comment that you are wrong, but in the spirit of discussion; can you cite or link to sources for your claim, from within the past decade?

Sure, https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/10/02/starving-cancer-cutting...

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by decebalus1 »

i_am_nomad wrote: post #42
justsomeone88 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keto/carnivore is incredibly dangerous to the human body in the long run (5+ years out). Excess protein (in fact, even in the amounts society recognizes as "normal") is bad for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R07FL1wVo4

I’m sorry, YouTube is too academic and dense. Could you post a TikTok or a meme with the same info?

Dear stranger, I was/am having a pretty bad day and then I read your comment and laughed out loud for the first time since yesterday. Thanks!

Re: Starving cancer by cutting off its favorite foods

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Post by markdown »

ilyaeck wrote: post #38
dev_dull wrote: post #6

> your body closely regulates the level of glucose in your blood. Your brain would literally starve without it. Is this actually true? Having done the ketogenic diet and bringing carbohydrates down to almost nothing, my brain definitely didn't starve. In fact, running on ketones was amazing.

We are down to anecdotal evidences here. So as another anecdote, a guy I know went on a carb-free diet and developed diabetes as a result. His body lost the ability to process sugar. Bottom line, most people needs a balanced diet - including carbs that are one of the pillars of nutrition. A given individual's body may be able to compensate for the imbalance on its own, but let's not generalize that to the entire popu…

How do we know he wouldn't have developed diabetes anyway?
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