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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by gamblor956 »

i_am_nomad wrote: post #294
gamblor956 wrote: post #292

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Donald Sterling settled multiple racial discrimination lawsuits related to his openly racist criteria for putative tenants in his apartment buildings... See e.g. https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=4619819

Then we have to wonder why the NBA let him own a team in the first place.

Google is your friend.

Donald Sterling bought the Clippers in 1981. At the time, he was a former trial lawyer that had made millions purchasing and selling high-end ultra-luxury apartment/condo buildings in West LA. (He used to run multiple ads in every issue of the LA Times.)

His forays into the low-income housing developments to which the racial discrimination lawsuits relate did not begin until some years after he had purchased the Clippers. His racism was not well known because the Internet didn't exist back then and he spent millions annually on self-promotion, including sizable annual donations to the NAACP.

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Post by wcr3 »

dang wrote: post #269
5trokerac3 wrote: post #3

Not all costs are monetary. The long term ramifications of our businesses cow-towing to mass-murdering authoritarians is far greater than potential profits.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. You seem to have been doing that a lot, and it's not cool here. Please review the site guidelines and note: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21194189 and marked it off-topic.

the fuck are you talking about?

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Post by rdiddly »

cthalupa wrote: post #163
i_am_nomad wrote: post #62

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I’ll expand on this by pulling two sequential quotations in the article from NBA commissioner Adam Silver: "It is inevitable that people around the world -- including America and China -- will have different viewpoints over different issues. It is not the role of the NBA to adjudicate those differences.” Bullshit, see North Carolina. “However, the NBA will not put itself in a position of regulating what players, empl…

>Bullshit, see Donald Sterling. Yeah, blatant racism, including against some of the biggest stars in the NBA's history, is definitely the same thing here. That's not regulating political discourse - that's not allowing a racist to be in a position of power over the very people he is prejudiced against.

You're headed off into the weeds a little. The point was that the NBA does regulate what the players, owners and employees say.

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Post by tastygreenapple »

wuliwong wrote: post #258
munificent wrote: post #158

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My I'm just feeling cynical, but this just sounds to me like an easy way to have it both ways: 1. Placate the US by putting out a public statement saying "We support freedom of speech for our people." 2. Placate China by using a backchannel to ensure that no one in the NBA actually uses this nominal freedom to say something that hurts China's feelings. Actually standing up would require supporting a statement that ha…

You are just theorizing that #2 is happening with no evidence.

Consider the absence of evidence - name a single person affiliated with the NBA who publicly supported the censured guy or Hong Kongers

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Post by throwaway2048 »

dang wrote: post #269
5trokerac3 wrote: post #3

Not all costs are monetary. The long term ramifications of our businesses cow-towing to mass-murdering authoritarians is far greater than potential profits.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. You seem to have been doing that a lot, and it's not cool here. Please review the site guidelines and note: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21194189 and marked it off-topic.

Its important to be civil, and not point out the fact that the CCP have murdered millions of people. That would definitely be an uncivil flamewar comment.

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Post by DollarGuru »

partiallypro wrote: post #223
DollarGuru wrote: post #220

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And they'll all protest in silence.

That's better than the West kowtowing to China, silence eventually will find its voice.

True. It would also be better to be able to appreciate an entity that isn't so morally bankrupt and profit driven.

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Post by [deleted] »

chrischen wrote: post #196
paggle wrote: post #92

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As Michael Jordan didn't say... "Republicans buy sneakers too." Billionaires didn't get to be billionaires by leaving money on the table. We need large scale political action against China.

Yes because I’m sure you know what's best for billions of Chinese. They must be all dying to overthrow their government. Your rhetoric is naive at best and racist at worst. It’s racist because you are disenfranchising the potential voice and sovereignty of a whole ethnicity and country because private interests in your own country can’t get their way over there. The hong kong protestors have started getting their way…

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Post by Zarath »

somethoughts wrote: post #149
rsync wrote: post #128

What if this blows up in the other direction ? How many Chinese will pay attention to "whatever those people are doing in Hong Kong" for the first time because of this ? Which is to say, what if lots of young Chinese stand up and take notice that they can't watch world class professional basketball anymore ? I am well aware that there is homegrown professional basketball in China, but the $4B number suggests they wan…

Its curious how could you pitch the cancellation of these NBA games to the audience expecting to watch these NBA games without causing a Streisand effect [1]? If you mention the tweet, will they want to seek out and find the tweet? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Wrap it in propaganda like everything else. When you have already established a narrative framework under which China are the good guys, and whatever is happening in Hong Kong as bad or insidious, it's easy to simply wrap it up in that package and say it's the evil West trying to hurt China.

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Post by isoskeles »

uoaei wrote: post #246
isoskeles wrote: post #168

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> you start paying other people for their output to collect a net profit Didn't realize it was that easy. Why doesn't everyone just do this one little trick?

That's literally what everyone does. It's called "investment".

Oh interesting, does literally everyone else also pay their investments a salary or hourly wage and benefits like health care? Do they manager the performance of their investments? Can their investments sue them for violating labor practices? Sounds different from what that person was talking about.

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Post by [deleted] »

kleer001 wrote: post #238
themgt wrote: post #184

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The reality is, our political and corporate elites made a deal with the devil two decades ago, because the $ to be made off-shoring manufacturing and gaining access to Chinese markets was too good to pass up. They lied to the public that China posed no economic or military threat going forward, and that our glorious free markets would inevitably lead to a bottom-up liberalization of China. Instead, we've played ourse…

20 years ago? I'd pin it on Nixon's visit in 1972, nearly 50 years ago. Without that I'd bet China would have civil warred and bootstrapped its self into Democracy.

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