NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

Post by thaumasiotes » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

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> Fascism is widely regarded as always and everywhere the opposite/enemy of Communism and Communists. By who? Is there a reason for this? Fascism's self-description is basically just the motto "united we stand, divided we fall". It's right there in the name. As a philosophy, I know it best for strict intolerance of public dissent. That sort of thing undermines unity. And that's pretty much it. I would have said that…

>> "By who?" First and foremost, by the inventors of fascism themselves, as I tried to show in some stealth edits in my comment above.

Post by KerrickStaley » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 9:53 PM UTC

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It's not really correct to say China is a communist country. Under Deng Xiaoping, China gradually undid the economic structures that define communism and moved to a market-driven economy. Today it is essentially a free market economy with maybe a little more government intervention than most other free market economies. China is communist in name only.

"After World War II, the Chinese Communist Party under MAO Zedong established an autocratic socialist system that, while ensuring China's sovereignty, imposed strict controls over everyday life and cost the lives of tens of millions of people. After 1978, MAO's successor DENG Xiaoping and other leaders focused on market-oriented economic development and by 2000 output had quadrupled. For much of the population, livin…

Post by KerrickStaley » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 9:55 PM UTC

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There is a difference between the Chinese government and the Chinese people. The parent is (presumably) calling for action against the Chinese government, because what the Chinese government wants is harmful to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and other basic rights. This is not an attack on the Chinese people. In general, one has to be careful about conflating the interests of the Chinese government and the C…

This is the second time I think I've seen this on hackernews in two days, no one is conflating the two anymore or less than when someone says, "America runs terrorist campaigns in the Middle East." People understand that the meaning is the state, nothing is a monolith although everybody must step up to the table and own up to the fact that we are all in part responsible for the actions of our comminutes. We know who…

Post by gamblor956 » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 9:59 PM UTC

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It is more accurate to say allied rather than coerced. They use the fascists to stabilize societies on the brink of rejecting them and the fascists use the rich to fund and empower their movements.

Exactly. Ford was a big fan of Hitler and actively helped Franco. Not because he was coerced, he was too clever for that, but because fasciste state keep the working class crushed which is perfect for capitalist like him.

Post by sverige » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 10:10 PM UTC

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My I'm just feeling cynical, but this just sounds to me like an easy way to have it both ways: 1. Placate the US by putting out a public statement saying "We support freedom of speech for our people." 2. Placate China by using a backchannel to ensure that no one in the NBA actually uses this nominal freedom to say something that hurts China's feelings. Actually standing up would require supporting a statement that ha…

You are just theorizing that #2 is happening with no evidence.