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China doesn’t kill people. They just send them to re-education camps. So term genocide is not correct
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not think this is a coincidence that tension between the US and China raises every time Trump has political issues, just like Russia suddenly finds ennemies when Putin faces discontent, or that Turkey fights kurds 10 times stronger when Erdogan feels threatened. Pointing an ennemy is a great way to get away with many things, and works very well with all kinds of publics.
Obviously he wants to finish a deal w/ China before the elections so he can use it as an example. Not everything is a conspiracy. Not to mention he seems to permanently be in a state of political crisis with his adversaries in the US. They've been rattling the impeachment sword since he got in power.
There will be no trade deal and this is not merely a trade war. We are in a new cold war.
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China doesn’t kill people. They just send them to re-education camps. So term genocide is not correct
They forcibly sterilize in said camps which is genocide according to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II part d: "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"
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China doesn’t kill people. They just send them to re-education camps. So term genocide is not correct
They do carry out the murder of muslims, other sects, and harvest their organs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_...
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#95The art of caption… > [..] some of China’s top artificial intelligence startups, punishing Beijing for its treatment of Muslim minorities [..] > The decision, which drew a sharp rebuke from Beijing, targets 20 Chinese public security bureaus and eight companies including video surveillance firm Hikvision, as well as leaders in facial recognition technology SenseTime Group Ltd and Megvii Technology Ltd. So Chinese pal…
Hikvision is not remotely related to what Palantir does.
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> how would the administration gracefully reverse these blacklisting actions Why should they reverse these?
It's hard to imagine a trade deal where sanctions against Chinese companies are upheld.
There is bipartisan support for the sanctions against Chinese SOE's. If POTUS were to waiver congress would act instead.
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#97The US claims that this blacklisting is unrelated to trade negotiations, but one has to wonder -- why did we wait until now? And if this is just a way to create leverage during trade negotiations, how would the administration gracefully reverse these blacklisting actions in exchange for something unrelated without it being patently clear that this was never about human rights?
Agreed. Clearly a negotiation tactic. I expect nothing material to come out of the upcoming meeting. I work in public equities and this has been such an ongoing headache... anyone remember when a full deal was supposed to get done by end of March 2019? What a joke...
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#98Has this kind of strategy ever worked, in trade negotiations? It seems about as likely to be effective as a bombing campaign: It'll reduce the other side's effectiveness, but from a negotiation perspective it'll only cause them to dig in harder.
There is actually a psychological difference. There maybe some digging in but generally nations can put a literal price on trade which they can not easily do with loss of life. Likewise national honor is less at stake. I suppose we're lucky that economic enticement/force usually gets better results than violence.
Whether it works in this particular case, indeed whether the goal of tariffs/sanctions is even remotely what is announced are both unclear of course. If it were humanitarian, it would be nice to mention Hong Kong in the process.
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#99The US claims that this blacklisting is unrelated to trade negotiations, but one has to wonder -- why did we wait until now? And if this is just a way to create leverage during trade negotiations, how would the administration gracefully reverse these blacklisting actions in exchange for something unrelated without it being patently clear that this was never about human rights?
Agreed. Clearly a negotiation tactic. I expect nothing material to come out of the upcoming meeting. I work in public equities and this has been such an ongoing headache... anyone remember when a full deal was supposed to get done by end of March 2019? What a joke...
And what, making a Uyghur American the National Security Council's China director also a negotiation tactic? Anyone in equities who believes that there will be a deal isn't paying attention.
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#100One thing that I really like about the Trump administration is that finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China. Can someone who is well versed in politics shed some light on if this is a trump specific phenonemon or had there been a sea change and the dems are now on board too ?
>finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China. With a shoot self in foot reaction...
How so?