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Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Second this. It's a major security update that allows you to re-evaluate and more precisely manage access rights that your existing apps have. Not sure what "super user" author is really sad about. No one is keeping him from using windows.

I don’t think that’s intentional though. Otherwise a proper way would simply be to prompt the user with something like « you’ve just upgraded your system, would you like to take this as an opportunity to reevaluate all your applications access rights ? ».

Almost every user clicks no and moves on with their life and then we’re put into a weird situation where apps installed prior to Catalina have a ton of permissions and apps post Catalina have comparably few.

You could say this is fine but it does demonstrate that something bad probably happened because we’re they presented the immediate option for existing apps they would have made a different choice.

Right now I have iOS 13 and it’s been great to see how many apps want but 1000% have no need for Bluetooth access — it’s nice to not have to comb through settings and revoke them manually.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.

Apple could have figured out a way to coalesce all the individual pop-ups into a single window. I'm sure they considered it and deemed it not worth the effort since this is a one-time pain... of course it's one-time pain shared by millions of users. :-(

An individual window would have completely destroyed the point.

The point was to make you aware of what permissions the applications you use require access to.

And to get explicit permission from the user.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.

It's a bad onboarding though, full stop, and not very Apple like. For example, I imagine there could be a way to present the user a screen with all apps, and ask the user on one screen to check/uncheck any that it would like to receive notifications for. Similarly, for the apps requesting access to various things, if I were Apple, I'd wait a bit and then present the user a list with the apps requesting access, explai…

If you have one window, with checkboxes, the window would need to start with the boxes all unchecked. And users, being users, would then demand a way to check all of the boxes. And then what would the point of the notifications and requests be?

If they didn't, people would complain that they had to click all these checkboxes, and then missed one.

Or the window wouldn't have room for applications to explain why they needed that access.

Or they would, and users would maybe read the first one, but skip others.

There is no "better experience" which doesn't sacrifice the point of the prompts.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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At least for me, there's really no good reason to upgrade to Catalina. Most of the new "features" are things that I can't or won't use (e.g. desktop Siri). However Catalina causes a lot of problems with things that I do care about (32 bit apps, hardware drivers)

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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I’m surprised they didn’t ask for a password too, after clicking OK on each dialog. I’m not surprised at the UX though, Apple has always done a pretty terrible job of that for power users.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Why do you think the hardware and software versions are getting worse? My late 2017 15 inch rMBP is a lot better than my 2011 MBP. I also like the recent releases of MacOS. Dark mode, stacks on desktop, seeing Meta data in preview, and the new screenshot tool are a few Mojave features I like. Memory compression in Mavericks was also something I feel is great. Although I never dealt with it directly as a programmer, o…

On the hardware side: keyboard, touchbar, touchpad to keyboard ratio. On the software side: slowness but more importantly a general decrease of opinionated cohesion, and an increase in odd UX decisions. Facetime calls to my iPhone trigger alerts on all of my devices, even if I'd prefer it to just be my phone (I rarely use Facetime on my machine). Beyond that, there are too many useless popups that interrupt me in wha…

1. Open the Facetime app.

2. Open the Preferences menu.

3. De-select the "Calls from iPhone" checkbox.

4. Done.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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This isn't ideal, but it also looks to be because there's a ton of power user stuff installed, which is going to require lots of permissions. And you really do need to ask the user individually.
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